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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 16:19:16 GMT -6
I think it's profoundly immoral and makes a joke of marriage. It erodes the moral fiber of the country. I think that eventually it will bring God's judgment down on this country.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 20:57:55 GMT -6
Many things 'make a joke of marriage. Cheating spouses, parents who do not take proper care of their children. Staying together long after the love is gone 'for the sake of the kids" Now that's a joke.
Same sex couples have been cohabitating since the beginning of time. The only thing this changes, is that now same sex couples will have the same marital legal grounds as anyone else. Same sex couples do not dictate whom I should or should not marry, so I pretty much feel the same about them. It's a personal choice, marriage that is, since I've never thought that being gay was a 'choice' .
They work, pay taxes, contribute to society, serve in the military, the police force, fire dept, are doctors, nurses, teachers, etc but some would still deny them the right to marry whom they please ? Would it serve society better if they were forced to live in the shadows ? I think all American citizens should have equal rights in every aspect of their lives.
If it's an objection on a religious basis, God also said ' What God has joined together, let no man put asunder " So does God view divorce the same as homosexuality ? We don't hear people getting all Biblical and judgemental over divorce.
Do you have any gay family members or friends ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 2:42:01 GMT -6
Many things 'make a joke of marriage. Cheating spouses, parents who do not take proper care of their children. Staying together long after the love is gone 'for the sake of the kids" Now that's a joke. Same sex couples have been cohabitating since the beginning of time. The only thing this changes, is that now same sex couples will have the same marital legal grounds as anyone else. Same sex couples do not dictate whom I should or should not marry, so I pretty much feel the same about them. It's a personal choice, marriage that is, since I've never thought that being gay was a 'choice' . They work, pay taxes, contribute to society, serve in the military, the police force, fire dept, are doctors, nurses, teachers, etc but some would still deny them the right to marry whom they please ? Would it serve society better if they were forced to live in the shadows ? I think all American citizens should have equal rights in every aspect of their lives. If it's an objection on a religious basis, God also said ' What God has joined together, let no man put asunder " So does God view divorce the same as homosexuality ? We don't hear people getting all Biblical and judgemental over divorce. Do you have any gay family members or friends ? No, not that I know of. I think it is a choice in about half the cases. Up until the late 50s homosexuals were thought to be mentally ill. Divorce maybe in your church but in my church it's taught against and preached against.
Do you really want to live in a country where anything goes? What next, beastality, pedophillia? In the middle east it's excepted as normal. It won't stop here it will get worse and worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 9:18:22 GMT -6
Do you think gays will now be demanding to get married in churches? And sue if the church says they believe as the scriptures say, that it is a sin?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 9:22:47 GMT -6
Do you think gays will now be demanding to get married in churches? And sue if the church says they believe as the scriptures say, that it is a sin? There are some churches that are very liberal, some pastors that are openly gay. I don't know about them getting sued but I'm sure they will start getting married in churches now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 9:33:11 GMT -6
This is just my personal opinion. We are talking about people, people who are normal in every way. They do no harm to anyone. Pedophilia ,on the other hand, does a great deal of harm, that's the difference. I'm just saying that whom a person marries, in no way affects me. I don't live their lives, I don't walk in their shoes. they don't judge me and I don't judge them.
Back in the 50s a lot of things were not understood. They were still doing lobotomies in the 50s. Joe Kennedy insisted that a lobotomy be performed on one of his daughters who was mildly retarded. The results was that she pretty much lived the rest of her life in a vegetative state.
You and I just differ on the subject. I have many gay friends. in a pinch, I could depend on them for help any time of the day or night. I think gay people are much kinder than the average person, probably due to all the harassment and social bias they have endured over time. I wish them all the best.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 9:37:10 GMT -6
Do you think gays will now be demanding to get married in churches? And sue if the church says they believe as the scriptures say, that it is a sin? I think that was included in the law. Churches still have the right to deny gay marriages withing their particular church. There are many churches that welcome gays and will perform marriage ceremonies.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 9:48:13 GMT -6
sydney. "Divorce maybe in your church but in my church it's taught against and preached against."
So, strictly Biblicly speaking. do you think God sees divorce the same as homosexuality ? More than half of all marriages end in divorce. Divorcees are not branded as outcasts. It's just accepted. Why has society separated the two and put more emphasis on Homosexuality than divorce when the Bible nixes both ?
sydney; "What next, beastality, pedophillia? In the middle east it's excepted as normal. It won't stop here it will get worse and worse. "
In the middle east it's based on Sharia, a RELIGIOUS set of laws and guidelines for conducting one's life. I don't know about beastiality, but pedophilia is certainly included. That's another reason I find people do harm in the name of religion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 10:23:46 GMT -6
sydney. "Divorce maybe in your church but in my church it's taught against and preached against." So, strictly Biblicly speaking. do you think God sees divorce the same as homosexuality ? More than half of all marriages end in divorce. Divorcees are not branded as outcasts. It's just accepted. Why has society separated the two and put more emphasis on Homosexuality than divorce when the Bible nixes both ? Divorce and homosexuality are both sins and the bible teaches against it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 10:39:24 GMT -6
This is just my personal opinion. We are talking about people, people who are normal in every way. They do no harm to anyone. Pedophilia ,on the other hand, does a great deal of harm, that's the difference. I'm just saying that whom a person marries, in no way affects me. I don't live their lives, I don't walk in their shoes. they don't judge me and I don't judge them. Back in the 50s a lot of things were not understood. They were still doing lobotomies in the 50s. Joe Kennedy insisted that a lobotomy be performed on one of his daughters who was mildly retarded. The results was that she pretty much lived the rest of her life in a vegetative state. You and I just differ on the subject. I have many gay friends. in a pinch, I could depend on them for help any time of the day or night. I think gay people are much kinder than the average person, probably due to all the harassment and social bias they have endured over time. I wish them all the best. You have many gay friends, Okay would you trust your grandchildren of the same sex with them?
No harm to anyone...sure, they brought of such people as...John Wayne Gacy the clown and Jeffery Dahmer to mention a couple. They are perverts.
Isaiah 5:20 NIV Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 10:41:22 GMT -6
OK, say a woman is in an abusive marriage, her children are at risk. Surely God would not want that woman to continue to put her life, as well as the life of her children, at risk for fear of committing the 'SIN' of divorce.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 11:33:56 GMT -6
I believe that with the gay activists that have gone after florists, bakers, photographers, etc..., I think they will go after churches next. Kennedy was very weak in his opinion of religious rights. www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/06/justice-kennedys-eyes-are-wide-shut-on-the-gay-rights-assault-on-religion.php"Finally, it must be emphasized that religions, and those who adhere to religious doctrines, may continue to advocate with utmost, sincere conviction that, by divine precepts, same-sex marriage should not be condoned. The First Amendment ensures that religious organizations and persons are given proper protection as they seek to teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths, and to their own deep aspirations to continue the family structure they have long revered. The same is true of those who oppose same-sex marriage for other reasons." Notice the word advocate. Not protect from bureaucrats. The first amendment won't protect churches. Judges will have to protect them. You think they will?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 11:42:02 GMT -6
. sydney"
" You have many gay friends, Okay would you trust your grandchildren of the same sex with them?"
No harm to anyone...sure, they brought of such people as...John Wayne Gacy the clown and Jeffery Dahmer to mention a couple. They are perverts."
To the first part. Would I trust my grandchildren of the same sex with them ? That is almost funny in it's own way. One of my best friends Cindy has been a friend of our family for over forty years. When my husband was deployed and I had the flu, Cindy was the first to show up with chicken soup. She took care of my daughter, took her to school , Brownies, cooked and cleaned for almost a week. She is one of the kindest people I know. To even ask such a question is ridiculous. My daughter is now grown with a grown daughter of her own. Cindy is her Godmother. She's been with us through the good times as well as being there in times of tragedy and deaths in the family. She is quiet, has a wicked sense of humor and would take a bullet for any of us.
As to the second part, that's cherry picking. There are pedophiles of each sexual persuasion. The 8 year old child that was raped killed and found behind my granddaughter's former daycare church was a man married and divorced several times with children and grandchildren of his own. He is a pervert. What about Charles Manson and Ted Bundy, Jim Jones and David Koresh ? ? They were perverts, just not homosexuals. You have tried to intertwine pedophilia and homosexuality, and it does't always work like that. There are pedophiles of both persuasions. Pedophilia is a separate psychiatric problem. Just because one is gay does not follow they will automatically be prone to abuse children. You can't speak from experience because you have no gay friends. To put them all in the same box is not rational.
A side note. Jeffery Dahmer was an anomaly. His main problem was not being gay. He was so F'd up in the head, resulting in cannibalism , necrophilia, and a number of things that would make Hannibal Lecter blush.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 12:29:15 GMT -6
. sydney" " You have many gay friends, Okay would you trust your grandchildren of the same sex with them?" No harm to anyone...sure, they brought of such people as...John Wayne Gacy the clown and Jeffery Dahmer to mention a couple. They are perverts." To the first part. Would I trust my grandchildren of the same sex with them ? That is almost funny in it's own way. One of my best friends Cindy has been a friend of our family for over forty years. When my husband was deployed and I had the flu, Cindy was the first to show up with chicken soup. She took care of my daughter, took her to school , Brownies, cooked and cleaned for almost a week. She is one of the kindest people I know. To even ask such a question is ridiculous. My daughter is now grown with a grown daughter of her own. Cindy is her Godmother. She's been with us through the good times as well as being there in times of tragedy and deaths in the family. She is quiet, has a wicked sense of humor and would take a bullet for any of us. As to the second part, that's cherry picking. There are pedophiles of each sexual persuasion. The 8 year old child that was raped killed and found behind my granddaughter's former daycare church was a man married and divorced several times with children and grandchildren of his own. He is a pervert. What about Charles Manson and Ted Bundy, Jim Jones and David Koresh ? ? They were perverts, just not homosexuals. You have tried to intertwine pedophilia and homosexuality, and it does't always work like that. There are pedophiles of both persuasions. Pedophilia is a separate psychiatric problem. Just because one is gay does not follow they will automatically be prone to abuse children. You can't speak from experience because you have no gay friends. To put them all in the same box is not rational. A side note. Jeffery Dahmer was an anomaly. His main problem was not being gay. He was so F'd up in the head, resulting in cannibalism , necrophilia, and a number of things that would make Hannibal Lecter blush. Ridiculous, I don't think so. Are you from planet earth?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 12:34:24 GMT -6
sydney. " Ridiculous, I don't think so. Are you from planet earth? "
Well, that's ridiculous too. I'm right here in Florida. Does that qualify ?
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