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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 13:54:20 GMT -6
If you are going to address homosexuality according to the Bible, you have to address incest too. Did God give Lot a pass ? Of course not but you do know the reason behind the incest don't you?
What it was is that Lots daughters thought everyone on earth was dead but them. So they got their father drunk so they could sleep with him and the human race would not end there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 13:58:34 GMT -6
rdlb show me scripture where homosexual activity is freedom of choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 13:59:10 GMT -6
Yes, I know and I don't care what the reason was. Situational incest' is a cop out and if you are strictly adhering to Biblical teachings, it's a 'sin' See ? This is where one 'sin' takes precedence over another.
You can see how people who are non believers do not take the Bible seriously. There are a lot of contradictions.
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"What it was is that Lots daughters thought everyone on earth was dead but them. So they got their father drunk so they could sleep with him and the human race would not end there. "
Well, that was whacked 'thinking' What if both daughters delivered a female child, or both daughters delivered sons ? Even if the daughters had a child of each sex, and they thought there was no one left on Earth, in order to keep on reproducing, the incest would continue on generation to generation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 14:01:40 GMT -6
Yes, I know and I don't care what the reason was. Situational incest' is a cop out and if you are strictly adhering to Biblical teachings, it's a 'sin' See ? This is where one 'sin' takes precedence over another. You can see how people who are non believers do not take the Bible seriously. There are a lot of contradictions. Uh huh it was a mistake and a sin. everyone sins and they were no exception.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 14:09:14 GMT -6
sydney; "of contradictions. Uh huh it was a mistake and a sin. everyone sins and they were no exception"
But no one seems particularly concerned about this event. Having sex with a man drunk enough as to not recognize his own daughters.. an OLD drunk man ? Seems shaky at best with no Viagra around.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 14:19:32 GMT -6
sydney; "of contradictions. Uh huh it was a mistake and a sin. everyone sins and they were no exception" But no one seems particularly concerned about this event. It wasn't a big event. David one the greatest men in the Bible was an adulter and he murdered her husband Urie spells wrong but I go from memory. so he could cover his sin. He got Bethsheba pregnant.
Peter denied Jesus. Thomas doubted him. Judas betrayed him. on and on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 14:22:10 GMT -6
I'm going to get off here but I can tell you no place in the Bible does God give you a choice to either be gay or straight....it ain't in there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 14:27:52 GMT -6
You never addressed your theory 50% of gays are born gay 50% choose to be gay
I think it's not a choice, but psychological biology.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 15:35:53 GMT -6
You never addressed your theory 50% of gays are born gay 50% choose to be gay I think it's not a choice, but psychological biology. Okay, we have all seen men that were feminine and girls that were masculine. People like that were born that way and I truly believe there's not much one can do about it. For others I think it's a choice, they tried it and they liked it, that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 15:56:58 GMT -6
Well for my 2 cents worth. I know some gay individuals and have relatives of whom I care deeply about who are gay. I believe in the biblical freedom of choice. As a minister my choice is to not marry any gay couple as I personally can only use words in the ceremony that reflect "a man and a woman". If it were to become a situation whereby I "must" marry a gay couple, I will renounce my license and quit my affiliation. I do not see that happening though. The gay relationships cannot ever propagate another human life. The lifestyle is aberrant behavior and yet it is a part of the biblical freedom of choice. Deu 30:15-19 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it. But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it. I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: I'm interested in the Biblical freedom of choice you spoke about above, can you point me to scripture and verse?
Who knows you may have a child that's gay. If so I apologize, I didn't mean to sound harsh. I try to base my opinion on scripture. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 16:01:12 GMT -6
Skylar, we are all sinners. we are saved by grace, not by works least any man should boast.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 16:22:41 GMT -6
Skylar, we are all sinners. we are saved by grace, not by works least any man should boast. By that token, I know many gay people who firmly believe in God, so where does that leave them ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 16:37:13 GMT -6
You never addressed your theory 50% of gays are born gay 50% choose to be gay I think it's not a choice, but psychological biology. Okay, we have all seen men that were feminine and girls that were masculine. People like that were born that way and I truly believe there's not much one can do about it. For others I think it's a choice, they tried it and they liked it, that simple. Oh sydney, were homosexuality as simple as you make it sound, life for them would be so simple. But that's not the way it works. One's sexual orientation is formed at conception, just like the color of one's eyes, the color of one's skin.etc. Who would consciously choose a life that some ridicule, target for hate crimes, make all sorts of hateful remarks about? Who would choose a life where in some families actally turn their backs on them and disown them ? Force them to choose between who they are psyhchologicaly, biologically or remain part of a family ?
So many people have taken their lives over situations such as this. There is no circumstance that I could ever think of that would force me to turn my back on my child.
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Post by Admin on Jun 28, 2015 22:12:13 GMT -6
The gay relationships cannot ever propagate another human life. That is a weak excuse to ban gay marriages, if propagation was the main reason for marriage then that means you would not let a sterile couple get married or an elderly couple get married, neither one of those examples will ever create an offspring. Nobody is forcing anyone, other than county clerks who issue marriage licenses, to perform a gay wedding, nobody is forcing anyone to become gay, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything they feel violates their personal views and beliefs. It is about equality and a person's right to believe what they want and to practice what they want. You don't have to associate with a gay couple (or person) and they don't have to associate with you, that is what freedoms are about and that puts everybody on an equal standing. Not all that many years ago churches and the governments claimed that mixed race marriages were illegal, many still have the belief that blacks are not equal and that native Americans are not equal either. But Mixed race marriages are here and doing very well, and the Constitution says that we are all equal. This country is not going to h3ll anytime soon although those who want to judge others will get their just deserts when the time comes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 4:02:35 GMT -6
The gay relationships cannot ever propagate another human life. That is a weak excuse to ban gay marriages, if propagation was the main reason for marriage then that means you would not let a sterile couple get married or an elderly couple get married, neither one of those examples will ever create an offspring. Nobody is forcing anyone, other than county clerks who issue marriage licenses, to perform a gay wedding, nobody is forcing anyone to become gay, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything they feel violates their personal views and beliefs. It is about equality and a person's right to believe what they want and to practice what they want. You don't have to associate with a gay couple (or person) and they don't have to associate with you, that is what freedoms are about and that puts everybody on an equal standing. Not all that many years ago churches and the governments claimed that mixed race marriages were illegal, many still have the belief that blacks are not equal and that native Americans are not equal either. But Mixed race marriages are here and doing very well, and the Constitution says that we are all equal. This country is not going to h3ll anytime soon although those who want to judge others will get their just deserts when the time comes. The more children a man had the more power he had. That's one reason why men back then had so many wives. The more children a man had the more people he had to work the land and the more people he had for self-protection.
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