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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 12:40:27 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 13:07:41 GMT -6
Does anyone find it strange that gay couples nearly always adopt children of their own gender. Men adopt boys, women adopt girls. Hmmmm, I wonder why?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 14:31:28 GMT -6
Does anyone find it strange that gay couples nearly always adopt children of their own gender. Men adopt boys, women adopt girls. Hmmmm, I wonder why? I don't think that's true. And I don't know what you are trying to say. Sometimes same sex women may chose to adopt a female child for the simple reason that they know first hand how to deal with things a female child will have to deal with growing up, like menses etc. I don't see any malice here. The very fact that same sex couples would want to adopt children and give them a loving stable home should be commended. Too many children come from broken homes of heterosexual couples who were totally unfit to raise children. The foster care system is a prime place for children to be sexually exploited. A child adopted by a same sex couple is much more advantageous than a child being dragged from one foster care home to another. I just don't understand why all the preconceived and often wrong conception of same sex couple adoption is so vilified. Of course, an adoption to a home with amother and a father would be ideal, but unfortunately that is not always an option, otherwise there would be no orphanages and foster homes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 16:11:58 GMT -6
Does anyone find it strange that gay couples nearly always adopt children of their own gender. Men adopt boys, women adopt girls. Hmmmm, I wonder why? I don't think that's true. And I don't know what you are trying to say. Sometimes same sex women may chose to adopt a female child for the simple reason that they know first hand how to deal with things a female child will have to deal with growing up, like menses etc. I don't see any malice here. The very fact that same sex couples would want to adopt children and give them a loving stable home should be commended. Too many children come from broken homes of heterosexual couples who were totally unfit to raise children. The foster care system is a prime place for children to be sexually exploited. A child adopted by a same sex couple is much more advantageous than a child being dragged from one foster care home to another. I just don't understand why all the preconceived and often wrong conception of same sex couple adoption is so vilified. Of course, an adoption to a home with amother and a father would be ideal, but unfortunately that is not always an option, otherwise there would be no orphanages and foster homes. I think every homosexual should be on the sex offender list. Am I wrong well so is God, I can give you scripture and verse. I am not hardhearted, I feel for those people but I also feel they have a serious problem and by sticking up for their perversion helps no one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 18:18:49 GMT -6
Why do you think they should be on a sex offender list ? What two consenting adults do is really no one's business. You want all homosexuals on a sex offenders list even though they've never harmed anyone, never forced themselves on anyone against their will ? The only serious problem they have is that people want everyone to live as they say live. I pass judgement on no one. who does no harm to others,That's not my job.
'Sticking up for their perversion helps no one'...
I don't consider anything a 'perversion' God makes us all the way we are. Some of us have physical deformities. Some of us have mental challenges. Some of us are born gay. We will just have to agree to disagree, because I refuse to have my gay friends labeled 'perverts' when they've harmed no one and done more good for this world than most I know. It hurts to know some people have such a myopic view of people they don't know.
Now as far as what the Lord thinks, he also thinks that people who divorce and remarry are committing adultery. If that's true, there are millions of adulterers out there. Should they be put on an 'adultery list' ?
People take things from the Bible and custom fit them to fit their own needs and situations.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 2:17:09 GMT -6
Why do you think they should be on a sex offender list ? What two consenting adults do is really no one's business. You want all homosexuals on a sex offenders list even though they've never harmed anyone, never forced themselves on anyone against their will ? The only serious problem they have is that people want everyone to live as they say live. I pass judgement on no one. who does no harm to others,That's not my job. 'Sticking up for their perversion helps no one'... I don't consider anything a 'perversion' God makes us all the way we are. Some of us have physical deformities. Some of us have mental challenges. Some of us are born gay. We will just have to agree to disagree, because I refuse to have my gay friends labeled 'perverts' when they've harmed no one and done more good for this world than most I know. It hurts to know some people have such a myopic view of people they don't know. Now as far as what the Lord thinks, he also thinks that people who divorce and remarry are committing adultery. If that's true, there are millions of adulterers out there. Should they be put on an 'adultery list' ? People take things from the Bible and custom fit them to fit their own needs and situations. We both know what sodomy is.....Right. Can your gay friends commit any depraved act that you would find detestable, or do you choose to look the other way. It's tantamount to a cancer patient denying he has cancer......normal.
Yesterday mornings the paper here had a picture of two men kissing, both appeared to be around 70. It made my skin crawl, as a nation we have stooped this low.
I call homosexuality what it is, a sickness that robs the person of the ability to live a normal life and gross sin.
Enough for me on this subject. I can not except your view that gays are just jolly good fellows.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 11:33:42 GMT -6
sydney> "Can your gay friends commit any depraved act that you would find detestable, "
Yes, they could. They could pass judgement on people they don't know, they could turn a blind eye to people in need, they could committ murder, terrorism, they could do any number of things that I would find depraved. Instead all of them devote their time to charities, such as volunteering in homeless shelters, working to help raise money for cancer awareness, they all contribute large amounts to St Judes. How much time and money does the average heterosexual donate to these causes ?
One of my gay friends, who is retired, went to New Orleans, lived there for a year under deplorable conditions and worked like a dog helping hurricane victims, cleaning debris, establishing shelters and doing clerical work helping displaced people apply for assistance. But none of that matters, because he's gay. Huh ?
You have yet to explain why people are born gay. You previously said it was YOUR estimation that 50% were born gay and 50 % just 'chose' to be gay' What happened to that theory ? It's a scientific fact. You can deny it all you choose, but you can't change it.
Now to divorce. I see you've danced around this subject. That's part of cherry picking parts of the Bible to fit one's needs.
You can't know what it's like to live in another's body and mind, because it's impossible. But judgement seems to be fairly easy.
If you had children and one was gay, what would you do.? Shame them into suicide like so many other 'Good Christians' have ? Would you 'pray away the gay " ? If you could do that, why not pray away cancer, or any other numbers of things that happen in the natural scheme of things ?
I think we both need to stop where we are before I say some things that I shouldn't. Not that I would regret, just that I shouldn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 11:46:04 GMT -6
sydney> "Can your gay friends commit any depraved act that you would find detestable, " Yes, they could. They could pass judgement on people they don't know, they could turn a blind eye to people in need, they could committ murder, terrorism, they could do any number of things that I would find depraved. Instead all of them devote their time to charities, such as volunteering in homeless shelters, working to help raise money for cancer awareness, they all contribute large amounts to St Judes. How much time and money does the average heterosexual donate to these causes ? One of my fay friends who is retired went to New Orleans, lived there for a year and worked like a dog helping hurricane victims, cleaning debris, establishing shelters and doing clerical work helping displaced people apply for assistance. But none of that matters, because he's gay. You have yet to explain why people are born gay. It's a scientific fact. You can deny it all you choose, but you can't change it. Now to divorce. I see you've danced around this subject. That's part of cherry picking parts of the Bible to fit one's needs. You can't know what it's like to live in another's body and mind, because it's impossible. But judgement seems to be fairly easy. If you had children and one was gay, what would you do. Shame them into suicide like so many other 'Good Christians; have ? Would you 'pray away the gay " If you could do that, why not pray away cancer, or any other numbers of things that happen in the natural scheme of things ? I think we both need to stop where we are before I say some things that I shouldn't. Not that I would regret, just that I shouldn't. Sounds like a threat. Go ahead take your best shot. Gays are a bunch of cry-babies that whine and cry until they get what that want. They set back and watch how blacks do it and copied their style.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 11:54:54 GMT -6
'Threat' ? Where do you get that ? What have I threatened you about ? It's becoming delusional at this point. For a so called 'Preacher' it seems as though you take it upon yourself to decide whom is 'worthy' and who is not.
All the gay people I know are hard working. They are well educated. So, as American citizens, who are you, I, or anyone else to tell them that they can't legally have a spouse to receive the SS benefits of the other upon their death.? You would rather all that money they've paid into SS be wasted on some obscure government pyramid scheme ?
I would rather discuss things like rational adults without insults, but I see you would rather take another tact, well maybe tact is not an appropriate term, so I'll replace it with 'approach.'
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Post by rdlb on Jun 28, 2015 12:44:40 GMT -6
Well for my 2 cents worth. I know some gay individuals and have relatives of whom I care deeply about who are gay. I believe in the biblical freedom of choice. As a minister my choice is to not marry any gay couple as I personally can only use words in the ceremony that reflect "a man and a woman". If it were to become a situation whereby I "must" marry a gay couple, I will renounce my license and quit my affiliation. I do not see that happening though. The gay relationships cannot ever propagate another human life. The lifestyle is aberrant behavior and yet it is a part of the biblical freedom of choice.
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See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 13:05:27 GMT -6
And I support your stance as well.
I'm not attempting to change anyone's stance on homosexuality according to the Bible. But on a human one on one, I think it's deeply immoral to deny same sex partners the same civil rights as other Americans have. I also think it's wrong to treat other human beings with hate and disrespect.
I don't know how God judges levels of sin or inhumane treatment. But to openly despise another human being based on sexual orientation cannot be a good thing either.
We are all God's children, now whether or not our good works count in our favor is yet to be known.
All I know is that I could no more hate someone because they are gay than I could sprout wings and fly. That's just the nature with which God has endowed me. I view everyone on a personal level, I try not to paint everyone with a broad brush. I respond to kindness with kindness.
You made reference to 'propagating human life' Many heterosexual couples, for whatever reason, cannot propagate human life either. So do you consider reproducing one of the main reasons for marriage, especially with the impact on the environment related to over population ? So in your opinion, just how much importance is placed on reproduction ? It is my opinion that many children are much better served by placing them in the homes of stable, same sex couples than for them to remain in the custody of their crack addicted, alcoholic, abusive heterosexual biological parents.
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Post by rdlb on Jun 28, 2015 13:26:05 GMT -6
And I support your stance as well. I'm not attempting to change anyone's stance on homosexuality according to the Bible. But on a human one on one, I think it's deeply immoral to deny same sex partners the same civil rights as other Americans have. I also think it's wrong to treat other human beings with hate and disrespect. I don't know how God judges levels of sin or inhumane treatment. But to openly despise another human being based on sexual orientation cannot be a good thing either. We are all God's children, now whether or not our good works count in our favor is yet to be known. All I know is that I could no more hate someone because they are gay than I could sprout wings and fly. That's just the nature with which God has endowed me. I view everyone on a personal level, I try not to paint everyone with a broad brush. I respond to kindness with kindness. Agreed. We have yet to see the totality of the future as to what these marriages will bring. Divorces, child custodies, material possessions and such all have been opened up USA wide now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 13:41:33 GMT -6
rldb: "Agreed. We have yet to see the totality of the future as to what these marriages will bring. Divorces, child custodies, material possessions and such all have been opened up USA wide now "
I don't see much change in the future of those areas. Each case would be considered under divorce, child custody cases according to the same laws as for heterosexual couples.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 13:43:16 GMT -6
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both if them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
If don't sound like God is that fond of homosexual behavior.
God don't hate homosexuals but he does hate their sin.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 13:50:52 GMT -6
If you are going to address homosexuality according to the Bible, you have to address incest too. Did God give Lot a pass ? Of course not but you do know the reason behind the incest don't you?
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