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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 4:06:14 GMT -6
In Biblical times having lots of children meant having more power. The more wives a man had meant more children to work the land, and more people for protection.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 7:14:50 GMT -6
sydneY: "The more children a man had the more power he had. That's one reason why men back then had so many wives. The more children a man had the more people he had to work the land and the more people he had for self-protection."
That was then and this is now. Certain parts of the world live in habitual famine, hunger and starvation because of over population.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 9:41:19 GMT -6
sydneY: "The more children a man had the more power he had. That's one reason why men back then had so many wives. The more children a man had the more people he had to work the land and the more people he had for self-protection." That was then and this is now. Certain parts of the world live in habitual famine, hunger and starvation because of over population. I know that, I was talking about in Biblical days. Solomon had a 1,000 wives and concubines. I doubt that he was gay. It sounds like a bit too many but remember there was no cable T.V..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 10:57:29 GMT -6
Just another practice that's frowned upon these days.
There are many things mentioned in the Bible upon which people take pro and con stances in modern times.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 11:22:23 GMT -6
Just another practice that's frowned upon these days. There are many things mentioned in the Bible upon which people take pro and con stances in modern times. I really don't care what is frowned on these days, this is probably the most corrupt generation that ever lived.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 12:30:03 GMT -6
Just another practice that's frowned upon these days. There are many things mentioned in the Bible upon which people take pro and con stances in modern times. I really don't care what is frowned on these days, this is probably the most corrupt generation that ever lived. That's what people have been saying since recorded time. Remember when preachers said teens were going to hell for listening to Rock and Roll ? Men with long hair was the work of the Devil ? Generations of slaveholders were pretty corrupt. Economically thriving on the blood, sweat and tears of other human beings, ALL while going to church every Sunday and praising God. Nazi Germany and the Holocaust ? Pretty corrupt if not THE most corrupt. I could go on and on. When we're dead and gone, if the world is still standing, people will still be saying THEIR'S is the most corrupt generation EVER. I prefer to look for the good in people. I take each person on an individual basis. It is not my job description to judge or denigrate people for their lifestyle. Looking for what you perceive as 'evil' takes away energy that could be used in living life to it's fullest and loving your fellow man, no matter their own personal lifestyle. I also prefer to mind my own business and determine in which areas I can be a better person AND serve my fellow human beings. sydney; "I really don't care what is frowned on these days, this is probably the most corrupt generation that ever lived. " Well according to things I've read about in the Bible, I'd say there were some pretty corrupt things going on back then too. This 'preacher' Michael Pearl who apparently has thousands of followers, the one who urges his followers to raise their children applying corporal punishment. Using a switch on babies as young as a few months and whacking kids with PVC pipe and plumbers cord, now there's an example of corrupt. Once again, all in the name of the Lord.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 12:53:14 GMT -6
Of course you do. as far as homosexuals I don't know any but when I was young I did and those people were not quality people at all. Gays being quality people, now that sounds like an oxymoron. Of course I don't know every gay person in the world, I don't seek them out any more than I would seek out a rabid dog.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 16:15:13 GMT -6
Please tell me you didn't just compare a gay person to a rabid dog.
Perhaps that's a major reason you have such a low opinion of the gay community.. you don't know any, you don't have any friends or relatives who are gay.
That is a terrible thing to say about a fellow human being. I don't think comparing a gay person to a rabid dog would be pleasing to God. I know you don't approve of their lifestyle, but come on, why the vitriol, why the crude remarks ? I'm thinking there is more going on here with your hate of gays than meets the eye. It's just not rational. What have gay people done to hurt you ?
I would never in a million years thought you to be so judgemental and hateful about a fellow human being.
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"Gays being quality people, now that sounds like an oxymoron. "
Well trust me it's not. My gay friends have more compassion, more love of humanity, more giving of their time and money than most people I know. If the average heterosexual had as much compassion as my gay friends so, it would be a much better place in which to live. Do you any one, people who suffer from asthma and upper respiratory problems, who put their own health concerns on hold to go to New Orleans after Katrina and live in squalid conditions battling mold, mildew and all sorts of human decay and debris because they felt it was their duty to their fellow man ? That's what one of our gay friends did until he became so ill that my husband drove down, picked him up and brought him home where he spent two weeks in the hospital on the verge of death. As soon as he recovered he went back/ When I know people of this caliber and to hear you make remarks as you just did comparing them to 'rabid dogs' it makes my blood boil.
I think that's your problem, you don't know any gay people. Yes, of course, there are different levels of quality in every sector of humanity. I know many heterosexual people I would not associate with.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 16:40:36 GMT -6
You have the modern....go along with the crowd attitude, I do not. It's gross sin. People like you are basically brainwashed. I don't and won't have any more to say of the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 16:55:45 GMT -6
You have the modern....go along with the crowd attitude, I do not. It's gross sin. People like you are basically brainwashed. I don't and won't have any more to say of the subject. Good, because you can't make a rational calm statement on the subject like rldb can. I'm far from brainwashed. That statement alone proves that you know nothing of me. I wouldn't be a good candidate for brainwashing. I told you from the start that I march to the beat of my own drum. I'm rational, and you show signs of historonics. I still can't figure what you are so afraid of, well maybe just a little glimpse. Homosexuality is not contagious..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 18:36:13 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 19:43:31 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 10:20:00 GMT -6
so sydney :
Say you were a victim of hurricana Katrina. You've lost your home, all your earthly possessions. You have no transportation, you have no money. You've lost your family members. You are still alive in a city that is almost totally destroyed. You are living in filth with no source of clean drinking water, no food, no shelter. You've lost everything and you're in need of medical care and financial assistance. BUT... there is this man working around the clock with little sleep and no real place to safely sleep himself. He's helping displaced persons fill out legal forms, lining up transportation out of the city, helping people get the medical help they need. He's helping reunite families. He's doing all this while living in squalor up to his knees. He's helping with the removal of deceased bodies that have lain in the streets for days in varying states of decomposition. He is also working with the Red Cross to give the deceased a proper burial. He is putting his own health at risk.
He stays there for almost one solid year ,under horrible conditions, when he could be in his own multi million dollar beach home with all it's luxuries.
Say you were one of those people in need. You desperately want to find your missing family members. This man could help you, provide you with the things you need However... there is one catch... He's gay.
He hasn't discriminated against the people in need, he hadn't chosen which one he thinks deserves help and which ones do not, Would you avoid him " Like a rabid dog " ?
This is but one case of heroic people who just happen to be gay, that never ask for an 'atta boy'...he helps his fellow man because he finds it's his Christian duty. And being compared to a 'rabid dog ' is , in part, the reward he receives ? That's a sad commentary about a man you've never had the pleasure of knowing. Would you know he's gay from looking at his outward appearance ? No Does being gay somehow negate his good works ? No
The world ,as well as my family, has been enriched by this man in ways you'll never understand.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 11:03:30 GMT -6
The man would needs to repent of his sins and turn away from them. He did good works but that does not cancel out his sins. It don't work that way.
I in no way meant to compare gays with rabid dogs.
I'll admit homosexual behavior is repulsive to me. Men that use their mouth and anus as sex organs. To you that may fall with in the range of normal behavior, to me it does not.
When yahoo had all those chat rooms I by accident got into a men's gay room. Almost immediately some gay guy wanted to know " are you a top or bottom".
I realize the human side of things, they are someone's son, daughter, brother or sister. That's not to say people don't love them or that in normal ways they cannot love their family and others. It to me is sad and tantamount (<----- I like that word) to a son or daughter being on drugs. Do you stop loving them....NO!
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Post by matador on Jul 1, 2015 11:44:36 GMT -6
That is a weak excuse to ban gay marriages, if propagation was the main reason for marriage then that means you would not let a sterile couple get married or an elderly couple get married, neither one of those examples will ever create an offspring. Nobody is forcing anyone, other than county clerks who issue marriage licenses, to perform a gay wedding, nobody is forcing anyone to become gay, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything they feel violates their personal views and beliefs. It is about equality and a person's right to believe what they want and to practice what they want. You don't have to associate with a gay couple (or person) and they don't have to associate with you, that is what freedoms are about and that puts everybody on an equal standing. Not all that many years ago churches and the governments claimed that mixed race marriages were illegal, many still have the belief that blacks are not equal and that native Americans are not equal either. But Mixed race marriages are here and doing very well, and the Constitution says that we are all equal. This country is not going to h3ll anytime soon although those who want to judge others will get their just deserts when the time comes. The more children a man had the more power he had. That's one reason why men back then had so many wives. The more children a man had the more people he had to work the land and the more people he had for self-protection. That is true, and it hasn't been that many generations from today that having more children was the ideal family. But today with many parents not having children and many staying single that procreation is not the primary reason to get married, the main reason people get married today who decide not to have children is because they love that person and want to spend the rest of their lives with that person. In that respect there are those who want more if their love is for a person of the same sex, be it male to male or female to female. If that is what that person wants then why not let them be joined? Like I have said before, homosexuality must have been pretty prevalent back in the days before Christ and was important back then to procreate, today it is more important to be in a solid relationship and less on procreation. I am at a loss as to why those who make claims about procreation have no problem with parents who refuse to have kids, or sterile couples, or the elderly, all of whom can not or will not procreate, can get married. Shouldn't you want to ban those from marriage too?
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