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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 6:40:58 GMT -6
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Apr 25, 2014 6:54:24 GMT -6
But, Sydney, you have to go by what you, yourself, honestly believe is true, not by what someone else says is true.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 7:59:48 GMT -6
But, Sydney, you have to go by what you, yourself, honestly believe is true, not by what someone else says is true. Maybe God is bigger than we thought he was. It would take a big God to allow the atheist folks into heaven.
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Apr 25, 2014 9:05:08 GMT -6
But, Sydney, you have to go by what you, yourself, honestly believe is true, not by what someone else says is true. Maybe God is bigger than we thought he was. It would take a big God to allow the atheist folks into heaven. Not really -- if little babies that don't know much and did nothing wrong die, surely they go to heaven.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 11:46:21 GMT -6
Maybe so, I think Pope Francis shows what I consider Christ like qualities.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 20:46:49 GMT -6
OK, I'm not even Catholic, but have to say his statement is ,at the very least, contradictory to Christian beliefs. I'm not understanding his statement when the Catholic Church with holds Holy Communion to other Christians simply because they are not Catholic.. That's a reach far beyond my understanding.
Non Catholic Christians cannot partake of Holy Communion in the Catholic Church, but Atheists can go to Heaven ? WOW talk about confusion.
I've always thought that Holy Communion should be available to all who understand the rite. To exclude certain people just doesn't seem to hold true to Jesus' teachings.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 2:10:34 GMT -6
I don't understand it either. It seems a little crazy to me and a stand I could not have envisioned the Church taking.
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Post by rdlb on Apr 26, 2014 9:37:17 GMT -6
There are three "musts" found within the scriptures. One must be born again. One must worship God in spirit and in truth. They that come to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Apr 26, 2014 10:05:40 GMT -6
There are three "musts" found within the scriptures. One must be born again. One must worship God in spirit and in truth. They that come to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. Did you know that all seven "Catholic" sacraments have a purely spiritual level? Regarding "born again" (i.e., like Baptism):
There is, of course, the normal Baptism with water. There is also "Baptism of Desire" -- a sincere desire. While this is not any kind of official doctrinal statement, it is an overview that touches on many matters:
Baptism
It gives examples of cases where a "water Baptism" does not take place. There's a lot to be said for how things are interpreted.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 11:38:50 GMT -6
I went through Catholic School and of course was a Catholic. I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad but I've forgotten about everything I ever knew about the Catholic Faith.
No hun I didn't know that, I may have at one time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 11:53:09 GMT -6
According to my humble understanding of the Bible, and requirements for salvation, it is quite simple.
John 3:16
" For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that who so ever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."
No mention of a requirement for baptism, only BELIEF. Belief and profession of faith and the asking of forgiveness. It's not really complicated. So, if Atheists do not profess belief in God and confess their sins I'm wondering what Pope Francis bases his statement on ? 11 th hour deathbed confession maybe ?
The reality of an eminent earthly death has changed many an Atheist mind I would presume.
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Post by rdlb on Apr 26, 2014 12:50:35 GMT -6
According to my humble understanding of the Bible, and requirements for salvation, it is quite simple. John 3:16 " For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that who so ever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life." No mention of a requirement for baptism, only BELIEF. Belief and profession of faith and the asking of forgiveness. It's not really complicated. So, if Atheists do not profess belief in God and confess their sins I'm wondering what Pope Francis bases his statement on ? 11 th hour deathbed confession maybe ?
The reality of an eminent earthly death has changed many an Atheist mind I would presume. and yet devils believe. James 2:19
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 16:38:58 GMT -6
According to my humble understanding of the Bible, and requirements for salvation, it is quite simple. John 3:16 " For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that who so ever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life." No mention of a requirement for baptism, only BELIEF. Belief and profession of faith and the asking of forgiveness. It's not really complicated. So, if Atheists do not profess belief in God and confess their sins I'm wondering what Pope Francis bases his statement on ? 11 th hour deathbed confession maybe ?
The reality of an eminent earthly death has changed many an Atheist mind I would presume. and yet devils believe. James 2:19 '"And yet devils believe. James 2:19" No disrespect intended here.. but.. expanding on and adding other conditions to John 3:16 can turn many a novice Christian away from the simple act of faith. By taking John 3:16 literally, it is a given that through belief and profession of faith one chooses to accept Christ and follow his commandments. Of course, we, as mortals, will fail at some point in our lives simply because we ARE mere mortals. But if we believe in a loving, forgiving God, we have the assurance of everlasting life. Making things more complicated than they need to be may, in all likelihood, turn some away from a Christian life. Romans 3:32 King James Version (KJV) "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" To me, that is proof that no mortal will ever equal God's perfectness, but through his promise of forgiveness, we can ask and it will be granted.
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Apr 26, 2014 17:30:25 GMT -6
I went through Catholic School and of course was a Catholic. I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad but I've forgotten about everything I ever knew about the Catholic Faith. No hun I didn't know that, I may have at one time. Okay.... Do you remember ever having been told that if you have done something wrong and need to go to Confession but there is no priest around to hear it and give absolution, what you should do is say an "Act of Contrition"?
That be the sacrament of Reconciliation or "Penance." Same thing, purely spiritual level is valid.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 18:02:49 GMT -6
I do think I vaguely recall that. Someone told me that now you don't have to go to confession, you just repent. Do you know anything about that?
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