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Post by tindalus on Dec 11, 2015 7:18:33 GMT -6
Besides the obvious that Morocco is significantly further from Syria than Europe. Morocco is allowing them to reside in camps, but they aren't being allowed to stay. That's why they move on to other countries. Any country that will accept them.
And when there are more than 6.3 million refugees, there is no way that a small country like Morocco could accept all of them. They are going wherever they can to countries that they hope will accept them and allow them to escape the violence, wars, and finally be able to raise their children in safety and provide an education.
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Dec 11, 2015 10:17:01 GMT -6
Besides the obvious that Morocco is significantly further from Syria than Europe. Morocco is allowing them to reside in camps, but they aren't being allowed to stay. That's why they move on to other countries. Any country that will accept them. And when there are more than 6.3 million refugees, there is no way that a small country like Morocco could accept all of them. They are going wherever they can to countries that they hope will accept them and allow them to escape the violence, wars, and finally be able to raise their children in safety and provide an education. Apparently what is being said here is that "Syrian refugees," after paying several thousand in Euros, are making their way to Morocco where they stay for a couple of weeks after which they make their way back across North Africa and around to Turkey which allows them to get to Greece.... From where they migrate north to a barbed wire fence, so we have to take them because Saudi Arabia can't risk sheltering "Syrian extremists." Yep.
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Post by orogenicman on Dec 11, 2015 16:11:08 GMT -6
CP, the vast majority of refugees are Syrians and Iraqis fleeing the war. This is not in dispute.
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Post by tindalus on Dec 11, 2015 16:26:03 GMT -6
Saudi's hate Syria.......they wouldn't accept them if they came onn bended knees. Are you saying that we should be like them?
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Post by rdlb on Dec 11, 2015 20:24:08 GMT -6
I see that as idealistic and not realistic. So, 10,000 X 21.8 percent = 2180 men 18-59 years of age. A conservative guess of how many men might be radicals at 2% to 5%. 2180 X 22% to 5% = 44-109 individuals. We just witnessed what one man and one woman did and she was vetted. I believe in the two greatest commandments. Part of loving the neighbor is "as yourself". Matt 22:37-39. I would not put my neighbor in and danger nor myself and family. While I also would like to have any and all individuals to "have the opportunity to escape violence, hate, and inability to grow in service", I have reservations. Empathizing with one's fellow human being is never unrealistic. Ever. I have no problem with empathy. I have reservations of providing sanctuary within our borders at the present. That is what I responded to.
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Post by lowell on Dec 12, 2015 4:06:00 GMT -6
More from the CIA factbook: "Economy - overview: Syria's economy continues to deteriorate amid the ongoing conflict that began in 2011. The economy further contracted in 2014 because of international sanctions, widespread infrastructure damage, diminished domestic consumption and production, reduced subsidies, and high inflation. The government has struggled to address the effects of economic decline, which include dwindling foreign exchange reserves, rising budget and trade deficits, and the decreasing value of the Syrian pound and household purchasing power. During 2014, the ongoing conflict and continued unrest and economic decline worsened the humanitarian crisis and elicited a greater need for international assistance, as the number of people in need inside Syria increased from 9.3 million to 12.2 million, and the number of Syrian refugees increased from 2.2 million to more than 3.3 million. Prior to the turmoil, Damascus began liberalizing economic policies, including cutting lending interest rates, opening private banks, consolidating multiple exchange rates, raising prices on some subsidized items, and establishing the Damascus Stock Exchange, but the economy remains highly regulated. Long-run economic constraints include foreign trade barriers, declining oil production, high unemployment, rising budget deficits, increasing pressure on water supplies caused by heavy use in agriculture, rapid population growth, industrial expansion, water pollution, and widespread infrastructure damage. Now we see the recognition of drought to the refugee crisis. Global warming has altered weather patterns causing water shortages in many areas of the world. Damage to the economy DOES cause people to leave one area and risk their lives to seek livable conditions elsewhere. What would Americans do if we could not buy food or medicine or cars or houses and yet those opportunities existed in a neighboring country like Canada or Mexico. Perhaps Americans would relocate to other countries like the flood of retired Americans who flock to other countries, for instance, Costa Rica. Are there reports of a drought in Morocco? I missed it. Got a link? The drought is in Syria. Here is the link. www.ifrc.org/en/news-and-media/news-stories/middle-east-and-north-africa/syria/drought-exhausts-affected--communities-in-syria--66673/
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Post by orogenicman on Dec 12, 2015 4:27:26 GMT -6
Empathizing with one's fellow human being is never unrealistic. Ever. I have no problem with empathy. I have reservations of providing sanctuary within our borders at the present. That is what I responded to. Since we have been providing sanctuary to refugees within our borders for centuries, such empathetic behavior being a large part of our history. I'd say that you do have a problem with being empathetic towards these people.
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Post by rdlb on Dec 12, 2015 16:52:29 GMT -6
I have no problem with empathy. I have reservations of providing sanctuary within our borders at the present. That is what I responded to. Since we have been providing sanctuary to refugees within our borders for centuries, such empathetic behavior being a large part of our history. I'd say that you do have a problem with being empathetic towards these people. Only with a small percentage of these people, of those I do not know which of them, who would be the potential radical element. Other than that I have no major issue with sanctuary for Muslims wanting a better life here.
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Post by tindalus on Dec 16, 2015 17:02:10 GMT -6
An extreme small percentage .0004286%
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Dec 16, 2015 17:25:54 GMT -6
An extreme small percentage .0004286% Good. And, exactly who are they?
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Post by lowell on Jan 17, 2016 16:15:01 GMT -6
An extreme small percentage .0004286% Good. And, exactly who are they? NSA, CIA, FBI, and Homeland Security are the ones to ask. My guess is that the information about who they are is available to one or all of those agencies.
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Jan 18, 2016 12:16:05 GMT -6
Good. And, exactly who are they? NSA, CIA, FBI, and Homeland Security are the ones to ask. My guess is that the information about who they are is available to one or all of those agencies. I believe some doubt has been raised on that point.
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Post by lowell on Jan 18, 2016 18:48:48 GMT -6
They haven't killed as many people as the number of children killed by guns each year. 10,000 kids are killed or injured by guns each year in our country.
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