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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 5:26:55 GMT -6
It seems likely that eventually something like this will end up here.
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Post by rdlb on Nov 14, 2015 13:12:48 GMT -6
It seems likely that eventually something like this will end up here. They are already planning, it is just a matter of when and how.
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Post by lowell on Nov 15, 2015 3:52:55 GMT -6
Mecca and Medina are the holiest sites in Islam. Mecca is so terribly important that they bow towards it when they pray. Every muslim is expected to make a pilgrimage at least once to see their holy Black Rock at Mecca. If Mecca were to cease to exist and Medina too, then Islam would fade away and exist as a religion no more. Mecca has such a profound importance to Muslims.\ France has hydrogen bombs and they have bombers that can deliver them. They also have fighter jets that can protect the bombers. One hydrogen bomb set to explode just above the black rock might not totally atomize it, it might take four or five in succession.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 7:42:58 GMT -6
Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Post by lowell on Nov 15, 2015 8:00:43 GMT -6
If it brings more people on board, NATO and Russia and China can do a surprise military evacuation of Mecca and Medina which shall be immediately followed by the dropping of enough hydrogen bombs to pulverize Mecca and the black rock, and the tomb of Mohammed in Medina. That way we don't kill any innocents. That will mark the end of Islam. There will be a smoking crater left. One person said they would still worship the crater, to which I suggested we drop pig waste into until we fill it.
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Post by orogenicman on Nov 16, 2015 7:41:38 GMT -6
Sorry, but that is a horrific idea. You should be ashamed.
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Post by tindalus on Nov 16, 2015 17:03:13 GMT -6
I agree. one should know better than to treat othrs as some here suggest.
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Post by lowell on Nov 16, 2015 21:31:31 GMT -6
So Tindalus and orogenicman are fine with killing the jihadist people, but God save their holy relics.
Well thought out, guys.
Let me help you two with this one. On the one hand we have sentient living entities, on the other we have non-sentient, non-living objects of worship, one of which is vital to the continuation of Islam, which is essential to the estimated 15 -25 % of Muslims that support jihad.
The jihadists have no respect for non-Islamic objects of historical and cultural significance and destroy them deliberately.
The jihadists have made the causes and the natural consequence is waiting in the wings, soon to appear.
I think you have not felt the impact of Islamic jihad yet. Perhaps you find it hard to empathize with the victims of the jihadists. I was horrified when the Muslims were busy killing each other. That was when I first imagined a world without Islam.
Now there are Americans, I am sure, who delight in death and murder and feel a stirring fascination, a perversely delicious delight, when they find news of many people dying in terror. You two don't seem to be those kind of people, though there are a significant number of them in our society. I suspect the Jihadists too, share this perverse delight.
I am ashamed of people like those, they degrade humanity. Islam is not the only religion that feeds the perverse tendencies of people who fall into greed, animality, and arrogance. It is the worst in the world today, though. I would be ashamed if I did not speak out against it and condemn it.
The shame, tindalus and orogenicman, is not mine. I have proposed a valid solution for the poison of Islam.
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Post by orogenicman on Nov 16, 2015 22:17:09 GMT -6
So Tindalus and orogenicman are fine with killing the jihadist people, but God save their holy relics. Well thought out, guys. Let me help you two with this one. On the one hand we have sentient living entities, on the other we have non-sentient, non-living objects of worship, one of which is vital to the continuation of Islam, which is essential to the estimated 15 -25 % of Muslims that support jihad. The jihadists have no respect for non-Islamic objects of historical and cultural significance and destroy them deliberately. The jihadists have made the causes and the natural consequence is waiting in the wings, soon to appear. I think you have not felt the impact of Islamic jihad yet. Perhaps you find it hard to empathize with the victims of the jihadists. I was horrified when the Muslims were busy killing each other. That was when I first imagined a world without Islam. Now there are Americans, I am sure, who delight in death and murder and feel a stirring fascination, a perversely delicious delight, when they find news of many people dying in terror. You two don't seem to be those kind of people, though there are a significant number of them in our society. I suspect the Jihadists too, share this perverse delight. I am ashamed of people like those, they degrade humanity. Islam is not the only religion that feeds the perverse tendencies of people who fall into greed, animality, and arrogance. It is the worst in the world today, though. I would be ashamed if I did not speak out against it and condemn it. The shame, tindalus and orogenicman, is not mine. I have proposed a valid solution for the poison of Islam. Excuse me, but you confuse radicals with the vast majority of Muslims, who are, in fact, peaceful and law abiding. Using your logic, one might as well nuke all of Christendom for the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church.
By the way, today, the country's police reached a milestone of 1,000 dead at their hands. The number of dead here due to (domestic) terrorism? 9.
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Post by orogenicman on Nov 16, 2015 22:19:33 GMT -6
Oh, I almost forgot. You nuke Mecca and Medina and you won't have 20,000 jihadis to worry about. You'll have 200 million. Well thought out, Lowell.
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Post by lowell on Nov 17, 2015 5:08:31 GMT -6
I was not aware that the Westboro Baptist Church had grown so huge and dangerous to be comparable to Muslim jihadists. I suppose that was because I have not been a Christian since 1973. You would think I would have heard about the thousands of non Westboro Baptists that they have slaughtered. Maybe the media blacked those out. Please provide the links to the mass killings of the Westboro cult. There are more than a billion Muslims. 15 to 25% of those support jihad. If we nuke Mecca and Medina some will be enraged, but they will not all be enraged. Just like if we nuked the Westboro baptist church while they were gone, not all Christians would be enraged. The U.S. wiped out the Branch Davidians in Texas and somehow avoided the wrath of the Christians worldwide.
Those Muslims who are enraged with the loss of Mecca will go through the stages of grief. Help me out here I know the first one, it is disbelief. Lets see, one of the google answers is denial. The second is anger. okay I had that one already, I called it enraged. The third is bargaining. Hmmm not much to bargain for once the well is gone. You don't miss the Mecca till the Mecca is gone. Then depression. All around the world on the fourth day, Muslims stayed home. The fifth is acceptance. They move on and start searching for a new belief system. One that doesn't bring the retribution of having the keys to their Mecca taken away.
This would be comparable to the destruction of the Westboro church building, having it condemned and bull-dozed while they were off on a mission to tell Army relatives that their children went to hell somewhere in California.
Mecca-less children have a very hard time when the Mecca is gone.
Mecca-less children have a very hard time when the Mecca is gone. It doesn't measure up to the killing of the Branch Davidian Cult, but hey I'm a buddhist not a Christian. I don't delight in an everlasting war with Islamist jihadists. I also don't have stock in the companies that make a killing when we go to war.
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Post by tindalus on Nov 17, 2015 5:58:14 GMT -6
Very sad, People have a right to their religion just like christianity or Buddhists. You have convicted a whole rligion for the acts of a few. That lacks any compassion.
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Nov 17, 2015 6:53:06 GMT -6
Very sad, People have a right to their religion just like christianity or Buddhists. You have convicted a whole rligion for the acts of a few. That lacks any compassion. The mistaken notion here rests partly with the idea that it is "a few." "A few" without weapons is nothing much. A few with primitive atomic power bombed Hiroshima.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 12:16:41 GMT -6
I kinda agree, stopping things now before anything major happens may sound cruel but I think it's necessary.
I'm sure most of you have seen on T.V. where the Governors of several states want to put an end to Syrian Refugees settling in their state. I think there is a real reason for concern.
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Post by orogenicman on Nov 17, 2015 14:32:07 GMT -6
Very sad, People have a right to their religion just like christianity or Buddhists. You have convicted a whole rligion for the acts of a few. That lacks any compassion. The mistaken notion here rests partly with the idea that it is "a few." "A few" without weapons is nothing much. A few with primitive atomic power bombed Hiroshima. Hi CP. Atomic power is anything but primitive. And those bombs weren't smuggled in, nor did they arrive at their target via the arrival of refugees. They were dropped at high altitude by the armed forces of another country in an effort to stop the war. We allowed thousands of Iraqis into this county, as well as people from Afghanistan. Suddenly Syrian refugees are an issue? The vast majority of Syrian refugees are families (mostly single parents and their children) and the elderly. If we can vet thousands of Iraqis, certainly we can vet Syrian refugees in the same, or more stringent way.
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