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Post by samsara15 on Jul 10, 2014 4:47:19 GMT -6
So you think it's OK to bash and/or adopt a condescending attitude towards other's beliefs, or lack of beliefs, to talk down to them? You don't think other people LISTEN to their own inner voices? What makes you think that you know what I believe, or don't? Who's asking you to apologize for your beliefs?
I thought we were supposed to treat each other with some respect, and honor our differences in opinions and beliefs.
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Post by tindalus on Jul 10, 2014 9:53:45 GMT -6
If it matters to you, they shouldn't have kicked you off at least the last board. I don't have any problems with "your" opinion. Unfortunately some people tend to sometimes appear condescending in what they write, because they don't think about the force and the meaning of their word choices. It is easily rectified if one is careful and avoid confrontational language in their posts.
One of the most amazing condescending things I hear from "religionists" is that they think you have to be religious to be moral. Morality has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with our instinct and need to socialize, protect our species, etc. Religion incorporated that instinct into their sense of morality, but they sure don't own it.
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Post by samsara15 on Jul 11, 2014 7:56:04 GMT -6
Point out to me where I was ever condescending. I respect your views even though I view it differently. I make statements of fact, I don't mean for them to be insulting in any way. Maybe I see something you don't....I'm not trying to evangelize you or convert you. I am simply pointing out what I believe. all this business about people not LISTENing comes across to me as rather condescending. We all LISTEN, to the best of our ability.
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Post by tindalus on Jul 11, 2014 11:56:06 GMT -6
If we don't have "differences" then there is little to discuss. It's why some boards die when they drive off those that disagree. After all, if we are all in agreement, there isn't anything to discuss.
What is frustrating is when some people insist on the irrational as being rational.
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Post by samsara15 on Jul 11, 2014 13:34:08 GMT -6
all this business about people not LISTENing comes across to me as rather condescending. We all LISTEN, to the best of our ability. It wasn't meant that way. Perhaps you have thin skin.
Perhaps I do.
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Post by samsara15 on Jul 11, 2014 13:36:26 GMT -6
If we don't have "differences" then there is little to discuss. It's why some boards die when they drive off those that disagree. After all, if we are all in agreement, there isn't anything to discuss. What is frustrating is when some people insist on the irrational as being rational. I don't mind people being irrational, as long as they admit they are being irrational. Sometimes, I think it is not always a flaw to be irrational. I am not sure the universe is completely rational.
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Post by tindalus on Jul 11, 2014 13:39:10 GMT -6
If we don't have "differences" then there is little to discuss. It's why some boards die when they drive off those that disagree. After all, if we are all in agreement, there isn't anything to discuss. What is frustrating is when some people insist on the irrational as being rational. I don't mind people being irrational, as long as they admit they are being irrational. Sometimes, I think it is not always a flaw to be irrational. I am not sure the universe is completely rational. In my experience, those that are irrational usually don't admit they are irrational. Instead they insist that it everyone else that is irrational. But there are exceptions and that is actually quite good. To admit one is irrational means there is hope for them.
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Post by samsara15 on Jul 11, 2014 13:51:14 GMT -6
I'm always amazed that it is so difficult to explain everything about the universe in a rational way. Some of the questions people ask don't seem to have any rational answer, or even allow the possibility of a rational answer. One such being: 'Why is there something, rather than nothing'?
Maybe that's a type of question that people shouldn't even ask. If so, how do we know any such question is such a type?
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Post by tindalus on Jul 12, 2014 4:23:25 GMT -6
I'm always amazed that it is so difficult to explain everything about the universe in a rational way. Some of the questions people ask don't seem to have any rational answer, or even allow the possibility of a rational answer. One such being: 'Why is there something, rather than nothing'? Maybe that's a type of question that people shouldn't even ask. If so, how do we know any such question is such a type? The question is asked and of course that is why there are religions today. Why are we here. Course there are some questions that religionists don't ask that they should ask. For example. People make the claim that god made the universe. But if that is true, then god is outside of the universe therefore he isn't everything. Clearly he himself is created. Another example, if god is everything, then of course we are god. After all, nothing is not of god therefore we are made of god and just happen to manifest an "aspect" of god. Which of course shows that the devil doesn't exist nor does hell.
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Post by samsara15 on Jul 12, 2014 6:02:12 GMT -6
Are we all the beneficiaries of chance...that pure chance could be so generous and so kind? That in the vastness of space and the immensity of time that we could be, on a pale blue dot floating through the cosmos. It's not daunting , not to me and I would never trivilize it. However I know in whom I have trusted and in whom I have believed. Job 13:15 Though he slay me yet will I trust in him. Keep in mind this is not a dress rehearsal. I think this world is neither generous nor kind. It's quite a rough place for many, indeed most, living creatures. We're here. We can say nothing else with certainty. Pure chance says nothing, neither positive nor negative. It appears to me that organized religions treat this life as if it is a dress rehearsal for the next one. This is the only life we have for sure. The existence of any other, outside of this, is pure speculation, at best. I do not believe in creation. If there is a God, we must be an emanation from its substance, a spinoff from its substance, or part of its imagination, for purposes unknown and unknowable. At least, those are my guesses.
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Post by samsara15 on Jul 12, 2014 6:06:17 GMT -6
I'm always amazed that it is so difficult to explain everything about the universe in a rational way. Some of the questions people ask don't seem to have any rational answer, or even allow the possibility of a rational answer. One such being: 'Why is there something, rather than nothing'? Maybe that's a type of question that people shouldn't even ask. If so, how do we know any such question is such a type? The question is asked and of course that is why there are religions today. Why are we here. Course there are some questions that religionists don't ask that they should ask. For example. People make the claim that god made the universe. But if that is true, then god is outside of the universe therefore he isn't everything. Clearly he himself is created. Another example, if god is everything, then of course we are god. After all, nothing is not of god therefore we are made of god and just happen to manifest an "aspect" of god. Which of course shows that the devil doesn't exist nor does hell. IMO, the pantheistic view, that God is everything, is a more plausible option. A God that may be quite indifferent to our existence, and maybe even barely aware that we exist. Of no more importance to it than one of our fingernails is to us.
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Post by tindalus on Jul 12, 2014 7:02:31 GMT -6
Mine is a bit different. The way I see god is the laws of creation. Both personal and impersonal. Personal since the laws of creation always leads to consciousness and impersonal as since everything works by law, there is no random miracle. Just miracles by law. Course it is only a miracle if one doesn't understand the laws, so of course there is no such thing as a miracle.
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Post by tindalus on Jul 12, 2014 7:55:15 GMT -6
I thought it made perfect sense, which part do you have a problem?
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Post by samsara15 on Jul 12, 2014 9:35:23 GMT -6
I don't think I know it all. Sometimes I wonder if I know anything at all. Believing or not believing in a religion neither adds nor detracts from our overall knowledge, IMO, since none of us can have anything stronger than an opinion regarding religion. Nor does it have anything to do with being secure in oneself.
I am, by nature, very thin-skinned. If, however, like me, you want to discuss political or religious ideas with other people, to hear their thoughts and opinions, then you have to be prepared to quite frequently receive a rough reception from those who disagree with you.
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Post by rdlb on Jul 12, 2014 11:55:56 GMT -6
Personal epiphanies and anecdotal stories are just that "personal". What is irrational or rational is a matter of opinion usually based on those personal stories. How we personally respond to other's epiphanies and anecdotes can get on the nerves so to speak. Where do the Atheists go to in times of trouble? The question at the beginning of this thread. My response was based on my personal experience. I was an Atheist, I am now a believer in the One God and the Bible's account of that One God. I have hundreds of personal epiphanies and anecdotal stories of personal experience in regards the question. Some individuals on this board can relate and some individuals do not relate or do not accept them. I will share them as a truth, my truth nothing more and nothing less. I also thing that others have the right to express their "stories" and "experiences". I may not agree and will often times express why. However, I will do my best to allow and give opportunities to "save face" to those individuals of whom I may disagree. I also will choose my disagreements of whether or not to respond. Does anyone here want this board to turn into some bloody arena of conflict? "I wonder"?
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