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Post by faileddata on Apr 9, 2014 20:16:19 GMT -6
What's the purpose of forgiveness? How does one go about it? How can anyone determine if they're finished? What are the benefits of forgiving ones own transgressions towards others? Pass the chips.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2014 20:31:32 GMT -6
What's the purpose of forgiveness? How does one go about it? How can anyone determine if they're finished? What are the benefits of forgiving ones own transgressions towards others? Pass the chips. Personally, I think forgiveness is more important to one's self. Yes, it's very important to ask forgiveness from someone you believe you've hurt or harmed in some way. First you have to recognize that the transgression is real and that it hurt someone badly. if it's a personal situation. How can you know when it's finished ? I really don't know. I guess you can only go forward, since you can't take back what's been done. It will always be a work in progress, lest one repeat the deed. One's future behavior or the way one conducts themselves, is a good measure of repentance. Once rung, you can never unring the bell, but you can modify your behavior and learn from the experience so, hopefully, you will not repeat the behavior in the future. On the other hand if someone has hurt you badly, forgiveness is also important, because you have to recognize one fact... You cannot control other's behavior, you can only control the way you react to it. ' Pay back' accomplishes nothing except to keep the pot boiling.
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Post by faileddata on Apr 9, 2014 21:00:31 GMT -6
What's the purpose of forgiveness? How does one go about it? How can anyone determine if they're finished? What are the benefits of forgiving ones own transgressions towards others? Pass the chips. Personally, I think forgiveness is more important to one's self. Yes, it's very important to ask forgiveness from someone you believe you've hurt or harmed in some way. First you have to recognize that the transgression is real and that it hurt someone badly. if it's a personal situation. How can you know when it's finished ? I really don't know. I guess you can only go forward, since you can't take back what's been done. It will always be a work in progress, lest one repeat the deed. One's future behavior or the way one conducts themselves, is a good measure of repentance. Once rung, you can never unring the bell, but you can modify your behavior and learn from the experience so, hopefully, you will not repeat the behavior in the future. Do we forgive, or ask forgiveness as an attempt to clean our slate and be free from consequences attached to the precipitating event? If so, then is forgiveness a selfish act?
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Apr 10, 2014 7:42:02 GMT -6
Do we forgive, or ask forgiveness as an attempt to clean our slate and be free from consequences attached to the precipitating event? If so, then is forgiveness a selfish act?
To start with, we do not wish to hurt someone or something.
If such happens, it's accidental and we express regret that it happened, try to restore things as they were (insofar as possible), file away a note in our minds to avoid the situation in the future, and go on with our lives otherwise as before.
Now, if you're talking about you being the aggressive person, that's another matter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2014 9:27:00 GMT -6
I think it's very important to ask for forgiveness if not hurting people becomes the norm.
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Post by faileddata on Apr 10, 2014 17:26:12 GMT -6
If memory serves me, last time I forgave a person was so I could move on, so in this respect it was selfish.
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Apr 11, 2014 7:11:42 GMT -6
If memory serves me, last time I forgave a person was so I could move on, so in this respect it was selfish. Not really. That's akin to forgetting it without forgetting it.
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Post by faileddata on Apr 11, 2014 10:05:48 GMT -6
So, is asking forgiveness selfishly motivated? Is it just a social platitude? Does the asking make any difference?
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Apr 11, 2014 11:50:27 GMT -6
So, is asking forgiveness selfishly motivated? Is it just a social platitude? Does the asking make any difference? Don't ask -- just express regret.
(Not, "Oh, please forgive me, I'll never do it again" but, rather, "I'm sorry if I've hurt you -- sometimes I get upset with the whole world.")
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Post by faileddata on Apr 12, 2014 11:10:27 GMT -6
If a person asks forgiveness from someone they have hurt does it honestly matter whether the request is accepted or rejected? Is a positive outcome the primary motivation for asking forgiveness? If one knew in advance their request for forgiveness would be denied...would the asking still fall within the realm of "the norm"? I would equate this with asking for a poke in the eye.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 15:19:22 GMT -6
Lol, no poke in the eye please. To me asking one to forgive you or just saying I'm sorry, you express regret. Fighting and being mean is part of the human DNA, to ask forgiveness is a step above that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 15:45:38 GMT -6
If a person asks forgiveness from someone they have hurt does it honestly matter whether the request is accepted or rejected? Is a positive outcome the primary motivation for asking forgiveness? If one knew in advance their request for forgiveness would be denied...would the asking still fall within the realm of "the norm"? I would equate this with asking for a poke in the eye. I'm not sure what your goal is here. IF YOU'VE hurt someone and you want their forgiveness, all you can do is ask sincerely. If they reject your apology, then the problem is in their court. You have fulfilled your end of the deal. Once more, you cannot control the actions of others, you can only control your action or reaction to others.
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Post by faileddata on Apr 12, 2014 23:47:13 GMT -6
My goal is simple. I said I would participate more, rather than read. If I ask questions, promote discussion or aggravate the tar outa you all? Least you'll know I'm still alive and kicking. forgive me? ::grins::
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Post by faileddata on Apr 12, 2014 23:54:40 GMT -6
Next topic: resistance to change, or why I do not have free will. This is my response to eating an entire box of sugar free donuts, then sporting a belly ache. As you were.
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Post by faileddata on Apr 12, 2014 23:58:16 GMT -6
Also, and as a suggestion, do not consume 2 bags of sugar free gummy bears while making a long drive to the south.
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