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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 22:41:34 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 23:41:38 GMT -6
People aren't going to be swayed against the practice, no matter how many people die. With all this talk about freedom of religion ,brought to the forefront by Arizona's SB 1062 , it will only reinforce the snake handler's commitment. I say " Have at it" ,as long as it's voluntary and no children under 18 are participating or are forced to participate.. at that point it's called 'Child endangerment' and that raises it to a new level. Polygamy is illegal, but people claim their religious right to numerous wives.. Any man who can try to please six-seven women on a rotating basis, is either very brave or very stupid or is a sexual anomaly "Hell knows no fury like a woman scorned" Wonder why it's always 'numerous wives' ? Why not 'numerous husbands' ? Numerous husbands = numerous bank accounts but after reconsideration, that would mean numerous children.. I mean NUMEROUS ... never mind. At least with numerous wives, one woman doesn't have to do all the childbearing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 5:20:28 GMT -6
Then they should also follow the other things the Bible says, If ones hand causes you to sin, cut it off, better to die with one hand than go to hell. If ones eye causes you to sin then pluck it out. Better to die with one eye than be cast into hell with two. And other such ridiculous renderings of verses from the Word. On the other hand God tells us our body is our temple, to protect it and not to use drugs, alcohol or anything else that will harm it. Wouldn't you say moderation is the key? He never said to run around with snakes hanging all over you or to mutilate yourself. Jesus plainly told them that they were meant to have one wife, but for the hardness of a mans heart he allowed them to divorce. So where would numerous wives come into that picture. They done what they wanted to do, just as they do now. Not too sure they really give a hoot what God wants them to do. Then they would have to stop a lot of the things that they are doing. Oh no one husband is plenty. I can barely deal with one, two? OMG No I don't think so. They are breaking so many laws. It is illegal in most states to have wildlife. It is illegal to put someone in danger of being hurt or killed, no matter what their age, and it is certainly illegal to subject kids to it. They DO subject their kids to it. So here I go, ole one eyed, one handed, snakes hanging all over me with numerous other women sharing my husband. And don't forget lying to the police, the wildlife conservation officers and to the Child Protection Agency. Sounds real Christian doesn't it? Thanks for listening, I just can't stand them. I think they should all be locked up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 8:43:33 GMT -6
Then they should also follow the other things the Bible says, If ones hand causes you to sin, cut it off, better to die with one hand than go to hell. If ones eye causes you to sin then pluck it out. Better to die with one eye than be cast into hell with two. And other such ridiculous renderings of verses from the Word. On the other hand God tells us our body is our temple, to protect it and not to use drugs, alcohol or anything else that will harm it. Wouldn't you say moderation is the key? He never said to run around with snakes hanging all over you or to mutilate yourself. Jesus plainly told them that they were meant to have one wife, but for the hardness of a mans heart he allowed them to divorce. So where would numerous wives come into that picture. They done what they wanted to do, just as they do now. Not too sure they really give a hoot what God wants them to do. Then they would have to stop a lot of the things that they are doing. Oh no one husband is plenty. I can barely deal with one, two? OMG No I don't think so. They are breaking so many laws. It is illegal in most states to have wildlife. It is illegal to put someone in danger of being hurt or killed, no matter what their age, and it is certainly illegal to subject kids to it. They DO subject their kids to it. So here I go, ole one eyed, one handed, snakes hanging all over me with numerous other women sharing my husband. And don't forget lying to the police, the wildlife conservation officers and to the Child Protection Agency. Sounds real Christian doesn't it? Thanks for listening, I just can't stand them. I think they should all be locked up. Lol, so you have one eye and one hand, and those dang snakes. I do think you hit upon the key word, moderation. I have been a Christian for a long time. At one time I would have poked fun at the more moderate Christians but not now. After many long hard lessons I am now a Christian but a more moderate version of my former self. The snake handling thing came from the last chapter of St. Mark and from everything I can find out about it that part was added long after the Gospel was written. I don't think anyone should be locked up, I'm sure they are sincere. How can you protect someone from themselves?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 9:15:35 GMT -6
Then they should also follow the other things the Bible says, If ones hand causes you to sin, cut it off, better to die with one hand than go to hell. If ones eye causes you to sin then pluck it out. Better to die with one eye than be cast into hell with two. And other such ridiculous renderings of verses from the Word. On the other hand God tells us our body is our temple, to protect it and not to use drugs, alcohol or anything else that will harm it. Wouldn't you say moderation is the key? He never said to run around with snakes hanging all over you or to mutilate yourself. Jesus plainly told them that they were meant to have one wife, but for the hardness of a mans heart he allowed them to divorce. So where would numerous wives come into that picture. They done what they wanted to do, just as they do now. Not too sure they really give a hoot what God wants them to do. Then they would have to stop a lot of the things that they are doing. Oh no one husband is plenty. I can barely deal with one, two? OMG No I don't think so. They are breaking so many laws. It is illegal in most states to have wildlife. It is illegal to put someone in danger of being hurt or killed, no matter what their age, and it is certainly illegal to subject kids to it. They DO subject their kids to it. So here I go, ole one eyed, one handed, snakes hanging all over me with numerous other women sharing my husband. And don't forget lying to the police, the wildlife conservation officers and to the Child Protection Agency. Sounds real Christian doesn't it? Thanks for listening, I just can't stand them. I think they should all be locked up. There are so many sects and groups practicing what they believe to be in accordance with the Gospel. I wouldn't even try to convince anyone that what they believe or practice is wrong. You will never convince anyone who has convinced themselves that what they are doing is wrong. Locked up ? No I don't think so. Even though there are laws concerning snake handling, it will always come back to freedom of religion.. Man's law over what they consider to be God's word. This tradition has been alive and well for years, so no one is about to change their tradition. at this point. It also seems counter productive to 'lock up' people for practicing their own brand of religion. That would mean taking a father ( head of household ) away from the family and put the kids and wife in financial upheaval. Besides, the sentence can't be that long and the minute they get out of jail they would be back at it again.. You can't dictate personal and religious behavior even if it runs contrary to your beliefs or even the laws of the county/state. I As with all religious martyrs ( and I use that term loosely ) they are willing to die for their religious convictions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 3:22:41 GMT -6
Yet when bakers refuse to serve homosexual couples they are not allowed to follow their convictions. Ministers are being arrested in England for preaching that homosexuality is wrong. I just read about a bed and breakfast place that has been having honeymoon holidays for newly weds for years. It is a private bed and breakfast, yet they were sued for not allowing them to use their place to have their honeymoon. They are Catholic Christians. So it cost them a small fortune, they had to stop having the holiday for honeymooners and they may even have to close down their place. Isn't that part of their religious practice? I fail to see the difference. Why are their religious rights not honored yet you can have snakes and marry 50 women? These were all private businesses. And it is part of their religious beliefs that homosexuality is wrong. Maybe they should get some snakes. It is hypocritical to say it is okay for one set of religious people to do as they want yet censure and prosecute others for the same principle. If they are going to let the snake handlers handle snakes then they should allow other Christians the right to follow their convictions too. It doesn't seem to concern them too much that handling snakes is illegal, yet for simply not serving a customer all of a sudden it is illegal and the law must be followed. Then it should be followed for everyone not just a set few.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 6:37:36 GMT -6
Years ago I was given a book on abnormal psychology. This book was written in the 1950s. In it they describe homosexual behavior as a mental illness. So things are changing. But like my boss use to say, be careful what you wish for because you might get it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 8:29:25 GMT -6
The world is always changing. Like standing in quick sand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 10:48:56 GMT -6
Yet when bakers refuse to serve homosexual couples they are not allowed to follow their convictions. Ministers are being arrested in England for preaching that homosexuality is wrong. I just read about a bed and breakfast place that has been having honeymoon holidays for newly weds for years. It is a private bed and breakfast, yet they were sued for not allowing them to use their place to have their honeymoon. They are Catholic Christians. So it cost them a small fortune, they had to stop having the holiday for honeymooners and they may even have to close down their place. Isn't that part of their religious practice? I fail to see the difference. Why are their religious rights not honored yet you can have snakes and marry 50 women? These were all private businesses. And it is part of their religious beliefs that homosexuality is wrong. Maybe they should get some snakes. It is hypocritical to say it is okay for one set of religious people to do as they want yet censure and prosecute others for the same principle. If they are going to let the snake handlers handle snakes then they should allow other Christians the right to follow their convictions too. It doesn't seem to concern them too much that handling snakes is illegal, yet for simply not serving a customer all of a sudden it is illegal and the law must be followed. Then it should be followed for everyone not just a set few. ( Dayrain ; It is hypocritical to say it is okay for one set of religious people to do as they want yet censure and prosecute others for the same principle.) No, I don't think it is hypocritical at all. You are confusing the issue, because it's not the same principle, not at all. People who are in business, have secured a business license from their local city/county/state or the Fed Gov, are in business to serve THE PEOPLE, that means ALL the people. England aside, religious sects, like snake handlers, are not in business, and although it may be against the law, the governing law force has bigger fish to fry. The county/state cannot put officers on call at every suspected site where snakes may or may not be used in church ceremonies.They will only go underground and outsmart local officials.. Now if they want to secure a business license to have exhibitions to show that handling snakes is the way to go, then there will be stricter guidelines.. They will have to include all walks of life, including homosexuals in their audience. That's the difference
Another example: ( I would never do this, keep in mind it's only an example ) If I decide that I don't want gays, people of color or Muslims in my home as guests.. tough, that's my right as a private citizen.. however, say.. if I have a beauty parlor attached to my home and I'm duly licensed, then I MUST offer my services to ALL THE PUBLIC.. I CANNOT DISCRIMINATE.
So in essence, there is no such thing as a 'Private Business' ( that's a misnomer ) as long as it must be licensed by the city/county' or state. You are required to serve the public at large which is a far cry from 'private'
That's another reason why churches, Mosques or Synagogues are called 'non profit' They are not required to licensed by any gov agency. They do not pay taxes, they are exempt..( although some want that changed, I don't see it happening any time soon ) so under that umbrella, they can pretty much decide who they want or do not want as congregants.. although I know of few churches today that would deny membership due to color or sexual preference
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 13:16:20 GMT -6
Okay I see what you mean. I myself would not deny anyone a cake, though I must confess I don't know if I could keep from laughing hysterically if a gay couple asked me to bake them a cake. A man and a man. A woman and a woman. I doubt I could keep a straight face. I guess that is mean, but it is true. I guess if they could put up with my laughing all would go well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 16:05:42 GMT -6
Okay I see what you mean. I myself would not deny anyone a cake, though I must confess I don't know if I could keep from laughing hysterically if a gay couple asked me to bake them a cake. A man and a man. A woman and a woman. I doubt I could keep a straight face. I guess that is mean, but it is true. I guess if they could put up with my laughing all would go well. So, I take it you don't have any gay friends ? No, just my take, but I think that laughing would be very rude.. I don't think you would actually laugh at an openly gay couple, because I don't see you as rude. Everyone deserves respect at the base core. So, again, if you are in business to make a profit, you cannot afford to disrespect or alienate anyone. Word of mouth will follow ,as well as the threat of a lawsuit, if it could be proven that laughing was based on that particular customer's sexual preference..'Character assassination' ? I'm sure there is a statute somewhere. Many, many straight people people would not go to your business if they heard you were rude to a gay couple. You have to keep your personal feelings under wraps when you own a business. Think of it this way. Case scenario: You or someone close to you, is in a terrible accident. You , or they, are unconscious. You or they need emergency surgery to save your life. The best surgeon or the only one on call, for your case, is gay..Would their sexual preference be of any importance in that case ? If the answer is 'no'.. then selling a wedding cake to him or her would be of little importance also, probably a lot less so in the grand scheme of things. You may even be inclined to give him or her a cake.. I know I would
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 2:33:37 GMT -6
All my friends are gay skylar, I never associate with people who are pessimistic or gloomy. I don't care what nonsense people spew out of their mouths, I would not be able to control my laughter if two homosexual people asked me to bake them a wedding cake. That is ridiculous. Men don't marry men. Know God is shaking his head and saying, Is there anything they can't screw up? Rudeness has nothing to do with it. I cannot accept perversion as normal with a straight face. And I believe it is perversion. I refuse to view it as anything but ridiculous. Incredible that people actually accept it now as "Okay". No it is not okay, it is insanity. I have nothing against them one way or another. I do not hate people who have mental problems. Or perhaps it is a spiritual problem? I don't know. I do know it is not quite right. Like I said I could try but doubt I would succeed. The whole world has gone insane. There is no doubt of that. I try to be courteous and polite to everyone, but that is just too much to ask. I am supposed to stand there and take an order for a wedding cake from two men or two women? Oh please. That would have me holding my sides. So in order not to offend them I have decided not to open a bakery. Sad, all my life I have wanted to open a bakery, I am an excellent baker. Can I sell you the Brooklyn Bridge? It is on special this week. I can see that you are a nice person. Thanks for sharing your views with me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 9:44:06 GMT -6
All my friends are gay skylar, I never associate with people who are pessimistic or gloomy. I don't care what nonsense people spew out of their mouths, I would not be able to control my laughter if two homosexual people asked me to bake them a wedding cake. That is ridiculous. Men don't marry men. Know God is shaking his head and saying, Is there anything they can't screw up? Rudeness has nothing to do with it. I cannot accept perversion as normal with a straight face. And I believe it is perversion. I refuse to view it as anything but ridiculous. Incredible that people actually accept it now as "Okay". No it is not okay, it is insanity. I have nothing against them one way or another. I do not hate people who have mental problems. Or perhaps it is a spiritual problem? I don't know. I do know it is not quite right. Like I said I could try but doubt I would succeed. The whole world has gone insane. There is no doubt of that. I try to be courteous and polite to everyone, but that is just too much to ask. I am supposed to stand there and take an order for a wedding cake from two men or two women? Oh please. That would have me holding my sides. So in order not to offend them I have decided not to open a bakery. Sad, all my life I have wanted to open a bakery, I am an excellent baker. Can I sell you the Brooklyn Bridge? It is on special this week. I can see that you are a nice person. Thanks for sharing your views with me. Of course your thoughts on the subject are yours to make, and yours alone, As far as that Bridge, no thanks, I don't really have room for a bridge that big, but can I offer you some prime swamp land ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 10:15:15 GMT -6
How much you want for that bridge?
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Post by rdlb on Mar 2, 2014 11:33:07 GMT -6
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it (life)more abundantly.
How does handling snakes within the confines of religious beliefs fit the above scripture? People are dying, women and children are being abused and the leadership promotes it. Spurious faith.
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