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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 4:58:17 GMT -6
Some people think this guy is sort of off but I like to listen to him.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 9:35:57 GMT -6
Michael Pearl. He is very well spoken, is he a theologian ?
I always prefer to hear people with a strong history, anthropology and archaeology background speak on religion rather than an outright 'preacher' It all just makes more sense if you can understand the physical and historical basis of a subject.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 10:05:35 GMT -6
This is Michael Pearl he's a preacher from Tennessee. He has a ministry called no greater joy. I like to listen to him.
He undeservingly got in hot water a few years ago. He has a book about discipling children, in the book he advocates corporal punishment. He said you can take a small piece of PVC pipe and wack them across the legs. Some Smarty read the book and bought a big piece of pipe and went home and beat his child to death and then blamed it on Michael earl and his book. He is well educated and has been to seminary. He owns a large farm and has a number of employees.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 15:25:21 GMT -6
Well that's where he and I would part ways. I don't believe in corporal punishment in any shape or form for children. Children are not given to parents to physically abuse and besides, it's illegal.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 6:14:51 GMT -6
I don't have any children but I think at least once you have to let the child know who's boss and that's it's there if needed.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 8:55:01 GMT -6
You can't successfully use corporal punishment as a means of punishing a child. Physical pain accomplishes nothing except resentment and alienation . Children who have been victims of corporal punishment are more likely to develop psychological problems and become child abusers themselves when they have children. It may be a 'short term fix' but it creates far more long term problems than it fixes in the moment.
I was never exposed to corporal punishment as a child, nor was my mother, father nor grandparents, daughter nor granddaughter.. We all turned out fine. I could no more inflict physical pain onto my child than I could sprout wings and fly. I just couldn't and wouldn't. The very thought makes me ill.
It's barbaric and any parent who could actually inflict physical pain ,onto their child, needs to rethink their ability to parent. There are many more successful and humane ways to punish ( I don't even like the word punish ) or to have the child rethink what they have done wrong. Communication trumps corporal punishment every time. We, as parents, have the responsibility to protect our children from pain in any and all forms. It's a fact that we can't protect them from all pain in life, but corporal punishment is one instance where parents are in control. It sends a message that 's it's OK to hurt people, especially the ones we love. Even the THREAT, of corporal punishment is psychological brainwashing, No child should grow up under the shadow of " what if ' .
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 9:36:40 GMT -6
Here where I'm at a few years ago a Muslim man killed his entire family, a honor killing he said. I stop short of craziness like that but I think tickling their ears don't work in some cases. I believe if a child learns to respect his parents when he is young it will last until he is an adult.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 9:52:08 GMT -6
Respect is a two way street. You can't 'beat' respect into anyone. I stand by my thoughts on corporal punishment. Physical abuse is illegal. It severs the bond between parent and child. There is no scenario in which I can imagine either of my parents physically punishing me, nor I my daughter. sydney: "He said you can take a small piece of PVC pipe and wack them across the legs. " What is it called when you wack someone else with a piece of PVC pipe ? It's called assault with a weapon. Any man who would advocate such punishment has no right to call himself a 'minister' Do you realize how many wackos there are out there who are just waiting for the slightest 'nod' or OK for behavior like that ? Sick
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 20:13:45 GMT -6
sydney: Have you actually read this 'man's book ? whynottrainachild.com/2010/04/20/quotes-from-ttuac/Here are some excerpts citing quotes and page number. The Pearls recommend switching infants only a few months old on their bare skin. They describe switching their own 4 month old daughter (1st edition p.9) "At four months she was too unknowing to be punished for disobedience. But for her own good, we attempted to train her not to climb the stairs by coordinating the voice command of “No” with little spats on the bare legs. The switch was a twelve-inch long, one-eighth-inch diameter sprig from a willow tree." On p.46 of the 1st edition, p. 49 of the 17th, the Pearls say that if a child does obey before being spanked, spank them anyway. And “if you have to sit on him to spank him, then do not hesitate. And hold him there until he is surrendered. Prove that you are bigger, tougher.” “Defeat him totally.” "We never used the rod to punish a child younger than 12 months. For young children, especially during the first year, the rod is used very lightly as a training tool. You use something small and light to get the child’s attention and to reinforce your command. One or two light licks on the bare legs or arms will cause a child to stop in his tracks and regard your commands. A 12-inch piece of weed eater chord works well as a beginner rod. It will fit in your purse or pocket. Later, a plumber’s supply line is a good spanking tool. You can get it at Wal-Mart or any hardware store. Ask for a plastic, ¼ inch, supply line. They come in different lengths and several colors; so you can have a designer rod to your own taste. They sell for less than $1.00." An effing 'designer rod " ? This man and his wife are total megalomaniacs. Child abusers to the max. Why aren't they in jail as habitual abusers ? My blood is boiling. I read all I could tolerate.. and there are fools taking his advice ? Too bad he never tried positive reinforcement. Abuse is a subject that I have long spoken against. Whether it be child abuse, elder abuse, mentally challenged abuse, sex abuse, domestic abuse, animal abuse.. whatever. It is NEVER OK to inflict physical pain onto another living thing. NEVER This man has been influenced by Satan, certainly not by God. He is ,at the very least, sadistic
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 2:34:53 GMT -6
No, I have never read his book. I once saw him on T.V.. I read some of what you have up and it's extreme, beating a baby that cries for his mother. Sadistic, hmmm how about stupid?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 10:01:45 GMT -6
No, I have never read his book. I once saw him on T.V.. I read some of what you have up and it's extreme, beating a baby that cries for his mother. Sadistic, hmmm how about stupid? Stupidity pales in the face of sadism. Stupidity pales in the face of criminal acts against children, He and his wife have all the markers of a true sadist. Stupid is a garden variety word. People do a lot of stupid things, myself included, however it takes a special breed to practice sadism against babies and children. Preying on innocents, even babies as young as a few months. I can't imagine how he could write such garbage then call himself a man of God I didn't pay any attention to who published the book. I doubt that any reputable publishing house would have anything to do with publishing anything this extreme and dangerous. My first red flag was the was word ' training. Children are not animals. You do not train a child. Yes, I know what the Bible says about ' Train up a child' And I also know that Jesus said ' Suffer the little children to come unto me"It is way beyond my comprehension how anyone, especially a mother who has conceived , carried a baby inside her to term, labored and given birth, could not only stand by and watch someone else inflict physical pain onto her child, but to partake in the infliction herself. There is a disconnect here someplace. That is not human nature. Human nature dictates that parents PROTECT their children from pain at all costs. I would die before I would allow anyone to inflict physical pain onto my child or grandchild..My husband would show someone what physical pain feels like if that ever happened to one of ours. IMO, this man and his wife are complicit in every case of child abuse arising from the so called 'teachings' in this piece of garbage book. And some people wonder why religion often gets a 'bad rep ' Well, this is a classic example. Put this man, his wife and Westboro Baptist Church all in a pile and you have a recipe for inhumane behavior. And they dare bring the name of God into the mix. ?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2015 13:14:22 GMT -6
Some more in depth into Michael Pearl's madness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 10:43:51 GMT -6
You don't find anything wrong with Michael Pearl ? Oh Dear God.
Now, I don't always agree with Imus, but on this issue, he has pegged Pearl dead to rights. Pearl and his wife should be arrested for child abuse. Aggravated child abuse. He advocates sitting on a child until they're 'subdued'. He advocates beating a child with a belt for commiting an act of violence. How hypocritical can one man be, Using violence to show a child that violent behavior is unacceptable is whacked in it's conception.
Someone should beat the *rap out of Pearl and his wife with a length of PVC pipe. It makes me sick to know there are people walking the earth with this sort of flawed mentality and to use the name of God to justify it.
Michael Pearl acts as if he doesn't know that aggravated child abuse is illegal in the US. Actually he doesn't care as long as he rakes in the money from his 'manuals for 'child pain' a ' How to' in case there are people out there who don't know how to inflict pain onto their children without an instruction book.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 11:08:49 GMT -6
You don't find anything wrong with Michael Pearl ? Oh Dear God. Now, I don't always agree with Imus, but on this issue, he has pegged Pearl dead to rights. Pearl and his wife should be arrested for child abuse. Aggravated child abuse. He advocates beating a child with a belt for commiting an act of violence. How hypocritical can one man be, Using violence to show a child that violent behavior is unacceptable is whacked in it's conception. Someone should beat the *rap out of Pearl and his wife with a length of PVC pipe. It makes me sick to know there are people walking the earth with this sort of flawed mentality and to use the name of God to justify it. I think that is what's wrong with kids today, a lack of respect for their parents. Children know there are no repercussions for their actions. Causing a lot of teen pregnancies, they get into drugs and leave school early. The preverbal tail wagging the dog.
I don't think a parent should go around beating up on their kids but the kid must know it's there if the situation calls for it.
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