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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 9:09:16 GMT -6
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 43:10
This seems to suggest that God had a beginning and at some point will have a end.
How do you read it?
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Post by rdlb on Jan 17, 2015 14:18:13 GMT -6
Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
I am: I exist
Exodus 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Lord: Jehovah = "the existing One"
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
I exist as from the beginning and the ending. Christ is the end of all believers.
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
I exist as
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
I exist as
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
I exist as
Jesus said: I am (I exist as) the way and the truth and the life. Where in time and in space did the way and the truth and the life occur? When will it end? It has always been and always be. It only remains that we are allowed by "choice", to participate, embrace and reciprocate that way, that truth and that life to God and to the neighbor as ourselves. So God has no end per se. As truth might be more understood by the equation 2 + 2 = 4. No matter where one goes in time or space, it has always been and always will be 2 + 2 = 4. We are just allowed to use it truthfully and with the fulness of choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 18:45:49 GMT -6
Yes, I was going to make reference to the Alpha and the Omega... the beginning and the end.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 20:54:19 GMT -6
Those are good answers but neither addressed the verse I gave.
Alpha and Omega...the beginning and the end seems to go along with Isaiah 43:10
It's just a question, I also believe God Is eternal, always was always will be.
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Post by rdlb on Jan 18, 2015 13:52:45 GMT -6
Those are good answers but neither addressed the verse I gave. Alpha and Omega...the beginning and the end seems to go along with Isaiah 43:10 It's just a question, I also believe God Is eternal, always was always will be. I see also that the verse you started with indicates "one God". I see no end to the one God just not another God. It causes one to take another look at the "trinity" doctrine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 18:56:04 GMT -6
I don't doubt the trinity doctrine even though it's hard to understand especially when they claim it's not a polytheistic doctrine.
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Post by rdlb on Jan 20, 2015 19:15:22 GMT -6
I don't doubt the trinity doctrine even though it's hard to understand especially when they claim it's not a polytheistic doctrine. I understand it quite differently than the mainstream orthodoxies. Even though they indicate one God, they add "in three persons". Three persons to me indicate three Gods period. Interesting that the OT only indicates one God, the only scriptures that the NT writers had in their possession to search.
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Post by samsara15 on Jan 26, 2015 19:38:11 GMT -6
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isaiah 43:10 This seems to suggest that God had a beginning and at some point will have a end. How do you read it? A lot of fiction, serious thinking, and imagination have been spent on the idea that God created our reality, and put his/her all into it, and gradually faded away. Gave itself totally to its creation, so to speak. I think it is an interesting idea.
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