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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 9:35:31 GMT -6
How do you think the situation should or will be handled in Ferguson if an indictment is not handed down against the police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown?
To what extent and by what measures do you think is acceptable or necessary to preserve civil rights and the right to peaceful protest, while preventing more loss of lives and destruction of property ? Or are the two even remotely expected to coexist when a verdict is handed down ?
IMO, at this point in time, any action by the police dept to protect it's citizens and property will be overrun by protests that WILL become violent. Outside reinforcements have already been lined up to join in the protests.
How much violence will the local police endure before resorting to more violence to keep the peace ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 12:48:17 GMT -6
How do you think the situation should or will be handled in Ferguson if an indictment is not handed down against the police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown? To what extent and by what measures do you think is acceptable or necessary to preserve civil rights and the right to peaceful protest, while preventing more loss of lives and destruction of property ? Or are the two even remotely expected to coexist when a verdict is handed down ? IMO, at this point in time, any action by the police dept to protect it's citizens and property will be overrun by protests that WILL become violent. Outside reinforcements have already been lined up to join in the protests. How much violence will the local police endure before resorting to more violence to keep the peace ? There are some folks that the law does not apply to, they do as the please while enjoying preferential treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 13:49:52 GMT -6
Which people ? The protesters or the police ?
I wonder if the Grand Jury is dragging their feet ? I would have expected a decision by now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 16:07:39 GMT -6
Which people ? The protesters or the police ? I wonder if the Grand Jury is dragging their feet ? I would have expected a decision by now. Well the Police there have a stroke of luck, it's cold there. Rioters and Looters like to be comfortable while they break the law. Common sense really. After all who wants to catch Pneumonia while tearing up the neighborhood....it can wait for a warmer day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 16:57:46 GMT -6
I hope you're right.
Eric Holder and his big mouth talking about bringing federal charges even before he knows what the Grand Jury will find.
I'm so glad he's on his way out, he should have been gone a long time a go.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 5:08:49 GMT -6
That police officer can plan on spending a long time in prison. Even if they don't bring local charges against him the federal Gov. will step in and prosecute him. It's a lose, lose situtation for him. Someone will become the Sacrificial Lamb and that will be darren Williams.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 10:58:20 GMT -6
That police officer can plan on spending a long time in prison. Even if they don't bring local charges against him the federal Gov. will step in and prosecute him. It's a lose, lose situtation for him. Someone will become the Sacrificial Lamb and that will be darren Williams. That would be a huge blunder on the part of the Feds. Usually if there is not enough evidence to prosecute on a local level the Feds don't push it. Besides for the Feds to prosecute, their only basis would be on a civil rights chrage, and since the officer was answering a call involving a robbery of a convience store and Brown fit the description, there goes any racial targeting. People said the same thing about the Trayvon Martin case. It would only look like sour grapes and pushing Big Brother to file Fed charges if the Grand Jury hands down a 'no bill' No one is mentioning the strong armed robbery Brown committed just minutes before the 'incident' ,, he was not the 'Big Teddy bear' some would have people believe.
Holder won't be involved since he's on his way out. He just likes to rattle his saber , get a last word in.
A civil rights violation charge would be an uphill battle, virtually impossible to prove.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 8:48:51 GMT -6
I hope nothing happens in Ferguson but it looks like they're preparing for it. The crowd is a mix but mainly swarthy folks. I also hope that police officer gets a fair hearing. A lot of the people that have caused trouble are not even from that area.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 12:16:41 GMT -6
This from Benjamin Crump: "Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Brown's family, said they are frustrated the prosecutor didn't charge Wilson himself, or at least suggest a charge to grand jurors. As it is, "you don't have any direction, you're just putting all the evidence out there and you're going to let them figure it out and they can make up their own minds," Crump said. "You know, it just boggles the mind why he thinks this is fair." www.aol.com/article/2014/11/24/uncertainty-fuels-speculation-on-ferguson-decision/20998009/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl6%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D569613I certainly hope Mr Crump tells the family that is the duty of a Grand Jury. A Prosecutor cannot 'suggest' anything to a GJ. To even consider such a thing would most certainly result in a mistrial if this ever does come to trial. That would be considered 'tampering' The Prosecutor plays no role, nor does he/she have any input on a Grand Jury. Obviously the Prosecutor did not have enough evidence, or thought it would be an uphill battle for conviction or else the DA's office would have indeed pressed charges. A Grand Jury is a good way to take the pressure off the DA's office. If the GJ votes to indict, then it's a go, if they hand down a 'no bill' that's the end as far as civil criminal charges go. Grand Juries have played successful roles in modern day litigation for many, many years I guess Crump has become the modern day Johnny Cochrane.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 20:53:22 GMT -6
Darren Wilson is cleared. It seems they did the right thing for a change. They didn't get bullied into indicting and innocent man.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 21:52:55 GMT -6
I had a feeling, if they did the right thing and didn't let themselves be intimidated, they would find no evidence to indict on any charges.
Seems as though the Feds have been working with local agencies and have shared info, so IMO, the Feds now have nothing left to bring charges on.
I have served on several regular juries, but have never served on a Grand Jury, but my husband has. It is an entirely different process, they rely strictly on evidence and witnesses without any input from lawyers. No dog and pony shows, only raw evidence, a path, tox and autopsy report and no distractions. Almost three months is a long time for a Grand Jury to deliberate.
I especially enjoyed hearing the prosecutor or DA give the press a shellacking for inciting rumors. I have begun to lose faith in any news agency, they are more or less entertainment TV now instead of strictly reporting the news. They all have an opinion and in journalism school, that was the # 1 rule. Leave your personal opinion at home unless you are writing fiction.
I wonder how much those 'on scene' reporters are being paid to stand out there and inhale tear gas ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 3:41:02 GMT -6
No telling what this will lead to. They didn't receive preferential treatment so now they have to tear things up until they get their way. It didn't seem to make any different that they were wrong. It seems there are never any negative repercussions for rioters and actually in most cases they are rewarded. Rioting the American way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 12:58:43 GMT -6
The one glaring fact that has been swept under the rug was the strong armed robbery of a conveince store by Michael Brown and his little friend. Both were caught on camera taking Cigarellos and pushing, shoving, choking the clerk, who was a third of Brown's size. That was never mentioned, when in fact, that was the catalyst that started this whole ball rolling. One reporter on CNN went so far as to say " So Brown had some cigars, so what Was that enough for him to lose his life over? Why didn't Wilson just let him ( Brown ) go on his way " ? WHAT ? These air heads who call themselves 'legal analysts' are becoming increasingly nuts. A duly sworn officer of the law encounters a subject who fits the description of a robbery suspect and he ( quote) " should just let him go " ? WTH Now the cops are taking flack for 'not doing more' to prevent the riots, burning of property and civil unrest, especially when Brown's stepfather was inciting the crowd by yelling ' Burn this #itch down " And the Brown family said they only wanted a peaceful protest ? It cannot go both ways. When a policeman does his duty , as he was trained to do, and things go badly, someone loses their life because they think they can physically assault a police officer and he defends his life, he should be burned at the stake. On the other hand when poeple riot and destroy neighborhoods and businesses, of hard working people THEN those same people are mad because the cops didn't do their duty ! Do they want law enforcement or a state of anarchy ? They can't have both. Any police officer who chooses that line of work ,not only places their life on the line every day, but then has to go through the living hell that officer Wilson has had to endure for doing his duty and protecting his life, as was his right. Michael Brown clearly came from a dysfunctional family. His Mother, Grandmother, cousins getting into a physical confrontation with each other about the selling of T-shirts with Brown's likeness on the front. That 'family reunion' resulted in physical assault on dome family members by other family members with a lead pipe ! This is the type environment Brown grew up with, so no wonder he thought it was within his rights to walk into a store, assault the clerk and take what he wanted, and then assault a police officer after the fact. People who want to martyr Brown are sending a message that it's OK to break the law, assault a police officer, because that's his RIGHT I'll agree with Sharpton on one thing, it is a broken system. Not for the reasons he quoted but because some people can make excuses for any situation that arises.One size fits all. So Brown robbed a store ,assaulted the clerk, then proceeded to assault a police officer so what ? That's the mentality at which we've arrived after half a century of good people fighting for civil rights. The very term 'Civil' refers to ALL the people. Sharpton is a race baiter of the highest order. That's how he's made all those millions, 4 million of which he owes in back taxes . Such a good, upstanding citizen, such a role model.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 18:44:37 GMT -6
I just saw what was called an 'interview' of the friend of Michael Brown who was with him at the time of his death. Actually, it wasn't what I would call an 'interview' in the least. CNN's Erin Burnett, asking a few questions with the attorney stepping in and answering most of the questions. Sort of generic in my opinion.
She danced around the real issues.
Why didn't she ask why he gave a false police report ? Why didn't she ask why he hasn't been arrested as an accomplice to a robbery ? Why didn't she ask why his account of the incident with officer Wilson did not jive with the autopsy ? This is lip service at it's finest. Here was a chance for her to set the record straight about why he lied in deposition, she did not.
CNN is not about news, it's about giving in to social pressure. They ( CNN) also gave Brown's step father a pass on his directive to " Burn this #itch down " He didn't mean it in a literal sense say they, he just misspoke in the 'heat of the moment' Uggg.. another case of people thinking Americans are too stupid to understand. Not once have they placed the blame where it belongs, squarely on Michael Brown.
Even though President Obama did ask for calm and peaceful protest, will he now come forward and say that the people burning, looting, stealing and tearing the town asunder ' could have been his sons, daughters, sisters, brothers and on and on and on ? Once a President makes a statement as he did about Trayvon Martin, it comes to mind over and over. That's why Presidents should not involve themselves in a personal manner over issues in the news.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 11:06:17 GMT -6
Michael Brown's stepfather should be charged with inciting a riot. Of course this will not happen when things are run by liberals.
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