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Post by samsara15 on Oct 5, 2014 16:42:24 GMT -6
For myself, that is as long as my health and money hold out, in both cases to allow me to live a lifestyle that I still find enjoyable. Too much sacrifice of lifestyle for health is not worth the extra years, for me. The actual number of years is not of interest to me, either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2014 19:08:06 GMT -6
I want to live as long as I have reasonably good health. If and when I get to the point I'm in pain or can not take care of myself I've lived lone enough. I also don't think it's the number of years you live that really counts it's quality of life.
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Post by rdlb on Oct 15, 2014 8:47:20 GMT -6
110 years that is a good number. However, I do not want to be a burden for anyone and in that event I will move to Oregon.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 10:40:54 GMT -6
110 years that is a good number. However, I do not want to be a burden for anyone and in that event I will move to Oregon. I presume you are referring to Oregon's 'Death with Dignity' law ? Or patient assisted suicide. As a minister, are you in favor of interfering with God's will and taking events into your own hands when it comes to matters of end of life decisions ? I'm neutral on the subject myself. I think it should be the individual's choice
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 17:45:08 GMT -6
110 years that is a good number. However, I do not want to be a burden for anyone and in that event I will move to Oregon. Should not God's decision prevail? I echo the words of Job Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him. I had no say so in my birth, I want none in my death. Surprise me.
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Post by rdlb on Oct 15, 2014 18:15:20 GMT -6
110 years that is a good number. However, I do not want to be a burden for anyone and in that event I will move to Oregon. I presume you are referring to Oregon's 'Death with Dignity' law ? Or patient assisted suicide. As a minister, are you in favor of interfering with God's will and taking events into your own hands when it comes to matters of end of life decisions ? I'm neutral on the subject myself. I think it should be the individual's choice Not necessarily wanting to interfere with God's will on my life and yet I still do not want to be a burden for anyone else. A choice for myself, right or wrong.
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Post by samsara15 on Oct 15, 2014 18:25:03 GMT -6
If we let nature take its course, we might go earlier than if we took extreme measures to extend our lives. We can reject extreme medical measures, and at the same time let what was otherwise to be, be.
What was God's will, and I am firmly an undecided on that issue, as you all know, is, IMO, unknowable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 8:28:03 GMT -6
As I said, I am completely neutral on the issue, and think it should be the decision of the individual. That being said, most mainstream believers think it is a 'sin' to interfere in the life process and should leave matters of life and death to God. They base that thinking much the way they view suicide in general. I've had one family member and two dear friends take their lives due to severe clinical depression, so I DO NOT feel they are responsible. Read some of the posts on Robin Williams' death. You would be surprised how many people have him roasting in hell as we speak.
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Post by samsara15 on Oct 25, 2014 5:39:10 GMT -6
Since I believe in neither a personal God (an impersonal God, perhaps), nor Hell, that part is a moot issue for me.
However, we humans already routinely interfere in the human life process in many ways...medical care, for example, is interfering in the life process, isn't it? Many of us would already long since have been dead were it not for medical care.
So why is withholding medical care different? Isn't that simply letting God's will take place, from at least one possible POV?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 16:43:34 GMT -6
Since I believe in neither a personal God (an impersonal God, perhaps), nor Hell, that part is a moot issue for me. However, we humans already routinely interfere in the human life process in many ways...medical care, for example, is interfering in the life process, isn't it? Many of us would already long since have been dead were it not for medical care. So why is withholding medical care different? Isn't that simply letting God's will take place, from at least one possible POV? I don't think 'with holding medical care' is the issue here. I think we are talking of something that would end life abruptly by intervention.
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Post by samsara15 on Oct 26, 2014 6:20:52 GMT -6
Assisted, or unassisted, suicide was not the subject of my OP. Withholding medical care was.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 6:44:49 GMT -6
I want to live until I become a burden on someone else then it's TIME.
I saw on tv an ad where a health care worker was taking care of a elderly man, he was soo old she had to wash his face for him. I thought to live to be that old is not a blessing after all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 13:04:26 GMT -6
Assisted, or unassisted, suicide was not the subject of my OP. Withholding medical care was. I wasn't directing my post directly to you. I was primarily speaking of the reference to Oregon.
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Post by samsara15 on Oct 26, 2014 13:52:49 GMT -6
OK, understood.
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