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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 8:36:57 GMT -6
This may very well be my last post on here but I never have been bashful about telling the truth. The liberal politicians and liberal laws have most folks beat down so low no one will utter a peep. Here is one Black Christian man that tells it like it is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 11:58:58 GMT -6
sydney, are you saying that this may be your last post ? Are you speaking about yourself ? If so I have to ask why ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 12:24:09 GMT -6
I had an earlier post "Riots In Ferguson Mo." There were 10 views and not one response. It's a touchy subject to some, it's almost taboo. On the race subject people are beaten down and intimadated. I think it's a shame when people misbehave and in more cases then not they are rewarded for it, And never any repercussions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 12:32:46 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 13:57:54 GMT -6
Looting is never a viable response to an incident like this. It's an excuse by criminals. It's a criminal act by the police not to protect property of taxpayers from looters. Personally, I think looters should be shot. Look at the ones in Ferguson. One shot another protester. Many of the looted stores were owned by black business owners. And in several instances, police stopped owners from getting to their stores to protect the stores themselves. The police ought to be sued for breach of their sworn duties to the public.
Sharpton is a race baiter and has his own skeletons in the closets. He incited riots in the past that led to the deaths of others. He shouldn't be anywhere near Ferguson.
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Post by tindalus on Aug 18, 2014 14:40:34 GMT -6
This may very well be my last post on here but I never have been bashful about telling the truth. The liberal politicians and liberal laws have most folks beat down so low no one will utter a peep. Here is one Black Christian man that tells it like it is. It doesn't sound at all that you understand the liberal view. I hve often heard people claim they think liberals are claiming that just because a black person is accused of something, they must be racist, show they have no clue what the liberal take is. There are many shades of gray here and in all kinds of different situations. An example is what is going on in Ferguson. Whether someone thinks he deserved to die or doesn't....doesn't address whether one is a racist. The issue really is about the pattern of activity in the city has been racist, and the patterns are there. Is everyone on the police department r acist? Probably not. At least I hope not. But when you have a town made up of 63% blacks and only 3 members of the police department is black? That's a problem. There excuse that they can't find qualified black people, is hogwash. They have also been known to have a higher incident of black people stopped and arrested. If convicted, they get longer and harsher sentence than white people. We could go on and on, and there is definitely a problem today.
A lot of this can be in my opinion considered institutional racism vs conscious racism. I have heard so many people talk as if being black means you are a criminal or automatically guilty of any crime. After all, they think of inner cities and think they are all criminals. This influences how they act when they stop black people keeping them more on edge and more likely to respond aggressively instead of treating them with respect. That doesn't mean they are racist consciously, but it does point to institutional racism.
There are many many overt racists also, but that is another subject. then there are many people among the republican party that practice reverse racism. They refuse to recognize the problems with how different races are treated in the US. They take what is going on personal instead of understanding what is good for the country. Personal greed to them is far more important than the well being of this country. This country if it is to maintain peace has to have justice for all races and all nationalities. One can't erase racism as it is practiced in abundantly in the south, but one can do everything they can to help everyone that has a lower educational opportunity, get a leg forward. If you listen to republicans, they should be dumped in the middle of the ocean and told that they will succeed if they swim to shore. Not literally of course but that is the effect of their trying to cut social welfare. If this is how we look at our country, that everyone is on their own, I guarantee that we as a country will not survive another 100 years. The biggest way to destroy the peace and create civil unrest is to continue the income and quality of life gap between the haves and the have nots.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 18:04:20 GMT -6
If only three percent of the PD is black, and the chief acknowledged that they have tried to hire black officers, what does that tell you about the caliber of the applicants? Should they hire black officers who are not qualified? How is their pay scale compared to surrounding areas? Do the surrounding areas have departments that match the racial makeup of the localities? How is personal greed a factor in this situation? Everything to you revolves around supposed greed of Republicans. But you forget most of Wall St and Silicon Valley give hundreds of millions to Dems. Why? They want policies that will make them richer. It's called rent seeking. That seems to repudiate your statements.
The Dems have made sure people aren't on their own. They have trapped them in social programs that penalize success. They don't want people to be on their own. Blacks made up a significant part of the middle class in the 50's and early 60's. Till welfare became ingrained.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 18:38:37 GMT -6
One thing that I've never understood, is why people riot, burn and destroy their own neighborhoods. Protest against a perceived wrong is one thing, but tell me how on earth is depriving people of their own race ( in this instance African Americans ) the right to keep their businesses in tact in order to make a living ? Blacks burning down Black neighborhoods, now there is a huge gap in common sense. They are burning down their own neighborhoods, how do you suppose they would feel if a mass of White people rioted and burned down said businesses ? There is no rhyme nor reason for this sort of behavior.. they are only hurting themselves.
I'm sorry this young man lost his life, however during his memorial service I noticed no mention of the strong armed robbery he perpetrated against an innocent business owner..obviously this is/was the same individual.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:25:36 GMT -6
tindalus makes a point of pointing a finger at 'The South' I have no idea where he lives, but obviously his is a knee jerk reaction about the region.
One of the most popular and effective Sheriffs that Duval County , Jacksonville Florida ever had was an African American man named Dan Glover. He never played the race card. It was his platform that everyone be treated equally under the law. During his tenure, he made advances in , not only race relations, but coming down hard on crime. He was a no nonsense, no side taking,Sheriff who made great strides. He was greatly respected by all races, I suspect in large because he did not play that old worn out race card. You did the crime, you did the time.Never once did I ever hear him give that old song and dance about one sided justice. He brought the Jacksonville Sheriff's office up to speed and played no favorites.
You speak of institutional racism. If you are speaking in terms of job related positions, saying that Blacks are the underdog, have you forgotten a little thing called..'Affirmative Action' ? Affirmative Action is the single most retarded action to ever be put into place. It is, in fact, reverse racism. Say, there are openings for jobs. Do you really think hiring people of a certain race which are totally unqualified in order to fill a racial quota is better than hiring people who are most qualified no matter their race ? That was the beginning of the end for quality in the work place. What if it was reversed and it became mandatory to hire only proportunate Whites to fill that same quota ? Experience doesn't count, education does not count, command of grammar does not count, but By Golly, those positions will be filled according to race. In instances such as this the better good is not fulfilled..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 2:13:01 GMT -6
There was more civil disobedience last night in Ferguson. This is what happens when people are accustomed to preferential treatment.
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Post by tindalus on Aug 19, 2014 7:35:38 GMT -6
tindalus makes a point of pointing a finger at 'The South' I have no idea where he lives, but obviously his is a knee jerk reaction about the region. One of the most popular and effective Sheriffs that Duval County , Jacksonville Florida ever had was an African American man named Dan Glover. He never played the race card. It was his platform that everyone be treated equally under the law. During his tenure, he made advances in , not only race relations, but coming down hard on crime. He was a no nonsense, no side taking,Sheriff who made great strides. He was greatly respected by all races, I suspect in large because he did not play that old worn out race card. You did the crime, you did the time.Never once did I ever hear him give that old song and dance about one sided justice. He brought the Jacksonville Sheriff's office up to speed and played no favorites. You speak of institutional racism. If you are speaking in terms of job related positions, saying that Blacks are the underdog, have you forgotten a little thing called..'Affirmative Action' ? Affirmative Action is the single most retarded action to ever be put into place. It is, in fact, reverse racism. Say, there are openings for jobs. Do you really think hiring people of a certain race which are totally unqualified in order to fill a racial quota is better than hiring people who are most qualified no matter their race ? That was the beginning of the end for quality in the work place. What if it was reversed and it became mandatory to hire only proportunate Whites to fill that same quota ? Experience doesn't count, education does not count, command of grammar does not count, but By Golly, those positions will be filled according to race. In instances such as this the better good is not fulfilled.. Knee jerk? I live in the south, the middle of the bible belt. Yes, I know what i speak of. Affirmative action that the republicans have been winning in court against? yes i am quite aware. Blacks people are just as capable as white people, and my question to you is why are they less trained? It is because the states tend to make sure that money is drained from the public school system (in the south) to fund religious schools and other so called private schools. Destroying any real opportunity for people of lower income can get a quality education.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 8:17:34 GMT -6
It is because the states tend to make sure that money is drained from the public school system (in the south) to fund religious schools and other so called private schools. Destroying any real opportunity for people of lower income can get a quality education. I'm sorry I just don't believe that. Can you show any proof of what you're saying or is it all just what you believe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 9:42:33 GMT -6
tindalus makes a point of pointing a finger at 'The South' I have no idea where he lives, but obviously his is a knee jerk reaction about the region. One of the most popular and effective Sheriffs that Duval County , Jacksonville Florida ever had was an African American man named Dan Glover. He never played the race card. It was his platform that everyone be treated equally under the law. During his tenure, he made advances in , not only race relations, but coming down hard on crime. He was a no nonsense, no side taking,Sheriff who made great strides. He was greatly respected by all races, I suspect in large because he did not play that old worn out race card. You did the crime, you did the time.Never once did I ever hear him give that old song and dance about one sided justice. He brought the Jacksonville Sheriff's office up to speed and played no favorites. You speak of institutional racism. If you are speaking in terms of job related positions, saying that Blacks are the underdog, have you forgotten a little thing called..'Affirmative Action' ? Affirmative Action is the single most retarded action to ever be put into place. It is, in fact, reverse racism. Say, there are openings for jobs. Do you really think hiring people of a certain race which are totally unqualified in order to fill a racial quota is better than hiring people who are most qualified no matter their race ? That was the beginning of the end for quality in the work place. What if it was reversed and it became mandatory to hire only proportunate Whites to fill that same quota ? Experience doesn't count, education does not count, command of grammar does not count, but By Golly, those positions will be filled according to race. In instances such as this the better good is not fulfilled.. Knee jerk? I live in the south, the middle of the bible belt. Yes, I know what i speak of. Affirmative action that the republicans have been winning in court against? yes i am quite aware. Blacks people are just as capable as white people, and my question to you is why are they less trained? It is because the states tend to make sure that money is drained from the public school system (in the south) to fund religious schools and other so called private schools. Destroying any real opportunity for people of lower income can get a quality education. What you're saying sounds like Ineptocracy....It's a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producting, and where the members of a society least likely to sustain themselves or suceed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 11:00:26 GMT -6
Less trained ? Public schools in the South are a joke. The inmates are running the asylums and administration is afraid to attempt any sort of disipline fearing results such as we are seeing in Mo
Public high schools around here have, on average, three- four lock downs per school year because 'some' students have no regard for authority and know their parents will back them up in their disorder. My Granddaughter attended public high school until `10th grade when the environment became too volatile and unsafe. We paid her tuition, every cent of her tuition for private school with no voucher or funds from any place else, including the Fed Gov,,except our bank account. If you want better schools and better trained students, you have to attack the root of the problem. Kids can't learn among havoc and personal fear for their safety.
Less trained ? Well it's sort of hard to be 'trained' in public school when all some kids think about is fighting, bullying, and causing racial discontent on a large scale.
IF they would behave their butts, go to school to learn academics instead of causing constant upheaval, then, yes, everyone would have equal 'training' Kids graduating from high school reading on a fourth grade level, having no command of the English language, grammar be damned ? How does that happen ? Why is it allowed to happen? Then they expect to be granted jobs where there are other applicants who CAN use proper grammar... BECAUSE... they studied and applied themselves.
Your argument holds no sway over the truth.. how many kids do you have in the public school system in the 'South " How much time have you spent on high school campuses lately... 'in the 'South' ? The public school system has become a place for 'some' kids to hone their attitudes and actions, looking forward into the future for a life in prison. When no one speaks up, we are contributing to the problem. And there IS a huge problem.
I fully agree with the program that allows vouchers for failing schools. How is it fair to keep kids, who actually want to better themselves, trapped in a failing school system where crime, even sexual assault is a regular occurrence ?You're preaching to the choir. Been there, done that.
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Post by tindalus on Aug 19, 2014 12:51:08 GMT -6
Knee jerk? I live in the south, the middle of the bible belt. Yes, I know what i speak of. Affirmative action that the republicans have been winning in court against? yes i am quite aware. Blacks people are just as capable as white people, and my question to you is why are they less trained? It is because the states tend to make sure that money is drained from the public school system (in the south) to fund religious schools and other so called private schools. Destroying any real opportunity for people of lower income can get a quality education. What you're saying sounds like Ineptocracy....It's a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producting, and where the members of a society least likely to sustain themselves or suceed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. You haven't any idea what you are talking about. This country was built on the fantasy that hard working people make a living. The corporations prevent that. So do republicans. They have made sure that the workers have no voice and no control over their income. They work hard and they live in poverty. The fantasy that the poor are lazy is just that, a fantasy. What you have today is the corporations don't want to pay for the services that are provided for them. Whether it is the roads, sewage, utilities, etc. Or the military that we fund to protect trade routes, The legal system that deals with their law suits, or the foreign services that pave the way for their goods to be sold. But they don't, and the republicans and apparently you seem to think that they shouldn't have to pay for those services. And finally, remember the old saying that a chain is only as strong as the weakest link? That's the situation here. If you continue to weaken the people who live in this country, then our country is living on borrowed time. Rome went through this, and we are making the same mistakes that Rome did and we will fall because of it.
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