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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 8:05:37 GMT -6
1 thessalonians 5:237 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Man is a trinity. That the human soul and spirit are not identical is proved by the facts that they are divisible (Heb. 4:12) and that soul and spirt are sharply distinguished in the burial and resurrection of the body. It is sown a natural body (soma psuchikon= soul-body), it is raised a spiritual body (soma pneumatikon), 1 Cor. 15:44.
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Post by rdlb on May 24, 2014 9:13:36 GMT -6
1 thessalonians 5:237 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Man is a trinity. That the human soul and spirit are not identical is proved by the facts that they are divisible (Heb. 4:12) and that soul and spirt are sharply distinguished in the burial and resurrection of the body. It is sown a natural body (soma psuchikon= soul-body), it is raised a spiritual body (soma pneumatikon), 1 Cor. 15:44. And what might these individual words body, soul and spirit represent within this trinity?
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Post by samsara15 on May 24, 2014 10:50:28 GMT -6
rdlb just told you - Soul = Body. The Spiritual body is what is resurrected. He cited chapter and verse.
In his (rdlb's) opinion, that is valid, and demands some respect, agree with it or not (and I don't)...but it certainly does demand respect, I'll readily concede that point.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 10:53:22 GMT -6
1 thessalonians 5:237 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Man is a trinity. That the human soul and spirit are not identical is proved by the facts that they are divisible (Heb. 4:12) and that soul and spirt are sharply distinguished in the burial and resurrection of the body. It is sown a natural body (soma psuchikon= soul-body), it is raised a spiritual body (soma pneumatikon), 1 Cor. 15:44. And what might these individual words body, soul and spirit represent within this trinity? The Body is flesh, blood and bone it's what we live in. The soul is the intellectual qualities we have in body and spirit. The spirit is the real us...our spirit being. It is eternal.
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Post by samsara15 on May 24, 2014 11:09:48 GMT -6
My pardons, sydney, I confused what you were saying with what rdlb was saying.
IMO, based on reality as I interpret it, the spirit, as you describe it, would be a reconstruction, a simulation, of the organism's mental states (man, animal, or plant) as they existed at the time of its death. Which, IMO, is precisely what the cited chapter and verses maintain.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 11:47:34 GMT -6
Yes, the Bible is clear about that.
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Post by rdlb on May 24, 2014 13:47:47 GMT -6
And what might these individual words body, soul and spirit represent within this trinity? The Body is flesh, blood and bone it's what we live in. The soul is the intellectual qualities we have in body and spirit. The spirit is the real us...our spirit being. It is eternal. My question is not to put you on the defensive at all and I hope you did not take it that way. I wanted your Biblical take. Matt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. What I quoted Jesus requires a different take on the words body and soul with reference to 1 Thessalonians 5:23. Then there is Ecclesiastes 12:7 to consider as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 19:13:10 GMT -6
Ecclesiastes 12:7 is what I said is it not?
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Post by rdlb on May 25, 2014 8:29:41 GMT -6
Ecclesiastes 12:7 is what I said is it not? OK.
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