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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 23:23:49 GMT -6
There is no middle ground. Either you stand with Christ or you stand against Him. You choose.
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Post by samsara15 on Apr 27, 2014 20:37:47 GMT -6
I think there is a middle ground.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 21:36:17 GMT -6
I would never be so presumptuous to think my religion was the only one of value. I don't judge whose religion is right or wrong. There is a higher power delegated to that undertaking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 4:17:13 GMT -6
To think you're the only one that's right is a little narrow.
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Post by samsara15 on Apr 29, 2014 9:27:52 GMT -6
I'm quite sure that there are a lot of unknowns that I don't fully or even partially understand, but I don't believe anyone else does, either. So we form an opinion, our best guess, based on what we think might be true, and we live by it.
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Post by rdlb on May 23, 2014 18:10:12 GMT -6
There is no middle ground. Either you stand with Christ or you stand against Him. You choose. Which Christ? I can think of quite a number of "we are the only way to Christ and Heaven" Churches. If I stand against one of those churches, (and I have many of them), I get branded an apostate, of the devil and Satan or some other label.
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo , here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold , I have told you before . 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold , he is in the desert; go not forth : behold , he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. KJV
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Post by samsara15 on May 23, 2014 19:13:45 GMT -6
It is hard to be an honest human being and not be an apostate, at least once or twice. People change their minds. And they should. This is a very confusing world we live in, we absorb a lot of bad information, thinking it to be good information, and we make bad decisions, sometimes more than once.
The severe penalties (death, and not a painless one, a disgraceful one) that Islamic law (Sharia) places on apostasy is one of the things I find most fearful about their religion. People need the freedom to change their minds. To be disgraced for making an honest decision, to me, seems to be an indictment of the religious faith that made it such a severe penalty for changing your mind.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 21:49:03 GMT -6
It is hard to be an honest human being and not be an apostate, at least once or twice. People change their minds. And they should. This is a very confusing world we live in, we absorb a lot of bad information, thinking it to be good information, and we make bad decisions, sometimes more than once. The severe penalties (death, and not a painless one, a disgraceful one) that Islamic law (Sharia) places on apostasy is one of the things I find most fearful about their religion. People need the freedom to change their minds. To be disgraced for making an honest decision, to me, seems to be an indictment of the religious faith that made it such a severe penalty for changing your mind. The way women , young girls and females in general are treated, is what I find most disturbing about Sharia. Forced marriages of girls as young as eight years old, female circumcision, and the right of the male head of the household or another male relative to kill, physically disfigure women for the slightest excuse is abominable.
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Post by rdlb on May 23, 2014 22:12:49 GMT -6
Sharia law is the law of Islam. Sharia (also spelled 'Shariah') is cast from the Quran, the actions and words of Muhammad, and the collective reasoning and deductions of Muslim imams. All who are men, and it "is" abominable!!!
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death. • A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old. • Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251). • A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more. • A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce. • A man can beat his wife for insubordination. • Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman. • A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s). • A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's. • A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits. • A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval). • A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 22:51:42 GMT -6
Yes, I only touched the tip of the iceberg.
I can't wrap my head around the following of Sharia.
What happens to Muslim men who have genuine, humane feelings and respect for females, especially their own children ? Are such men an anomaly, a religious and social pariah, do they exist ? Surely there are some who cannot allow their daughters to undergo such barbaric customs as female circumcision, or to marry their young daughters off, knowing their fate, or is that just the way my Western brain thinks ?
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Post by rdlb on May 24, 2014 9:08:03 GMT -6
Yes, I only touched the tip of the iceberg.I can't wrap my head around the following of Sharia. What happens to Muslim men who have genuine, humane feelings and respect for females, especially their own children ? Are such men an anomaly, a religious and social pariah, do they exist ? Surely there are some who cannot allow their daughters to undergo such barbaric customs as female circumcision, or to marry their young daughters off, knowing their fate, or is that just the way my Western brain thinks ? And a small tip at that of this particular iceberg. Over the course of time I have studied many religious systems and I have found that there is a similar root with in most of them. Control, a control over the minds and hearts of people using a doctrinal belief founded in and from man's mind and heart. Essential to this type of belief system, control has been taken by those of a stronger will and intent upon making others subservient to them. Certain Christian sects have this in common to a lesser extent and most unfortunately to a greater extent, the Sharia Law found within Islam. This is far removed from the two greatest commandments, to love God with all one's mind, heart and soul; and to love the neighbor as yourself. To love the neighbor as yourself. Think about that for a moment as it applies to mankind and any religious belief system. We are very fortunate to live in the USA religious wise in that, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Yet, because of our First Amendment rights there is Sharia Law being practiced among us and yet hidden within some Islamic communities. A reprehensible scourge among us. Islam, "the yoke" and quite a "yoke" it is.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 11:14:59 GMT -6
I wouldn't expect to be given religious immunity if I killed another person in the name of God.
I fear that, in the rush to be politically correct, and to prevent discrimination against any particular sect, that Sharia will slowly find it'self in our American court system.
I feel that discrimination is wrong, but so is rape, physical abse and 'honor killings' so we can't allow Sharia to become incorporated into our justice system. That would give a green light for Muslims, in America, to carry on with some of the barbaric tenets of their religion. This cannot be allowed to happen.
A judge in PA ruled in favor of a Muslim man who brutally raped his wife.. the ruling was later overturned. But what will the results be later on down the road ?
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Post by rdlb on May 24, 2014 13:35:01 GMT -6
I wouldn't expect to be given religious immunity if I killed another person in the name of God. I fear that, in the rush to be politically correct, and to prevent discrimination against any particular sect, that Sharia will slowly find it'self in our American court system. I feel that discrimination is wrong, but so is rape, physical abse and 'honor killings' so we can't allow Sharia to become incorporated into our justice system. That would give a green light for Muslims, in America, to carry on with some of the barbaric tenets of their religion. This cannot be allowed to happen. A judge in PA ruled in favor of a Muslim man who brutally raped his wife.. the ruling was later overturned. But what will the results be later on down the road ?Time will tell won't it.
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