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Post by carpathianpeasant on Sept 18, 2015 10:05:51 GMT -6
Did you watch those "investigative" reports that have been popping up around the internet?
I watched some of them and sit here thinking those women doctors speaking are doctors. Would they have gotten into that "business" if women were better accepted? Or, am I thinking something that isn't there, namely, still existent discrimination against women?
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Post by matador on Sept 18, 2015 22:35:56 GMT -6
Did you watch those "investigative" reports that have been popping up around the internet? I watched some of them and sit here thinking those women doctors speaking are doctors. Would they have gotten into that "business" if women were better accepted? Or, am I thinking something that isn't there, namely, still existent discrimination against women? Remember that these so called ?investigative? reports are highly edited and really can not be depended on for truth or honesty. Planned Parenthood is a great organization, they offer cancer exams, birth control (pills and devices), education for women, girls & boys too and of course legal abortions. Cutting the funding is basically discriminating against women and possibly leading to deaths and serious injury to women who have to go to Mexico or the old clothes hanger abortions. Abortion is legal and no matter what some people say, women just do not knowingly become pregnant for profit. When I was in high school a popular girl was raped and since she could not get an abortion here in the states, her parents took her to Mexico for the procedure, two days later she died of complications. I for one do not want to go back to those days.
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Post by lowell on Sept 18, 2015 22:52:51 GMT -6
Note that the people trying to destroy planned parenthood refer to "baby parts" instead of fetal matter. There is a reason for that. It isn't just because they are trying to avoid scientific terms that might confuse their intended audience. Note also that Republicans have continuously supported the use of fetal matter in medical research to end hereditary illnesses and pioneer regeneration of patients' own organs. Republicans aren't the most highly educated people on the planet, but they can understand the value of that research as it relates to them and their families on a personal level. What they want to do is to appeal to the popular motivation of their base to end abortion and birth control. They want more Republican women to have more children not less. They want Republican women to have a dozen or more children, each. Republican men are willing to help until the children are born, then you are on your own. (especially if you're a woman, seriously, you're on your own)
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Sept 20, 2015 17:35:41 GMT -6
Did you watch those "investigative" reports that have been popping up around the internet? I watched some of them and sit here thinking those women doctors speaking are doctors. Would they have gotten into that "business" if women were better accepted? Or, am I thinking something that isn't there, namely, still existent discrimination against women? Remember that these so called ?investigative? reports are highly edited and really can not be depended on for truth or honesty. Planned Parenthood is a great organization, they offer cancer exams, birth control (pills and devices), education for women, girls & boys too and of course legal abortions. Cutting the funding is basically discriminating against women and possibly leading to deaths and serious injury to women who have to go to Mexico or the old clothes hanger abortions. Abortion is legal and no matter what some people say, women just do not knowingly become pregnant for profit. When I was in high school a popular girl was raped and since she could not get an abortion here in the states, her parents took her to Mexico for the procedure, two days later she died of complications. I for one do not want to go back to those days. While the stuff may be edited to make a point, I don't think they could be completely without merit or people would soon realize there was nothing to it and the group would be discredited. Without trying to get into a religious area here, it seems to me the maxim about God drawing good from evil is appropriate, that saying only some life should continue is dangerous ground and that the churchy people who are anti-abortion should provide care. The first is arguable, the second has taken a few powerful hits due to people like Nazi Germany, and the third is a pipe dream. ...But, the state could provide immediate care for the women and take the children.
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Sept 20, 2015 17:40:11 GMT -6
Note that the people trying to destroy planned parenthood refer to "baby parts" instead of fetal matter. There is a reason for that. It isn't just because they are trying to avoid scientific terms that might confuse their intended audience. Note also that Republicans have continuously supported the use of fetal matter in medical research to end hereditary illnesses and pioneer regeneration of patients' own organs. Republicans aren't the most highly educated people on the planet, but they can understand the value of that research as it relates to them and their families on a personal level. What they want to do is to appeal to the popular motivation of their base to end abortion and birth control. They want more Republican women to have more children not less. They want Republican women to have a dozen or more children, each. Republican men are willing to help until the children are born, then you are on your own. (especially if you're a woman, seriously, you're on your own) Well, I certainly wondered who/what was backing the show, but it never occurred to me that it would be party agenda. Do you really think either political party would be doing politics to that extent?
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Post by lowell on Sept 20, 2015 22:27:36 GMT -6
Yes.
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Post by matador on Sept 21, 2015 0:42:01 GMT -6
Remember that these so called ?investigative? reports are highly edited and really can not be depended on for truth or honesty. Planned Parenthood is a great organization, they offer cancer exams, birth control (pills and devices), education for women, girls & boys too and of course legal abortions. Cutting the funding is basically discriminating against women and possibly leading to deaths and serious injury to women who have to go to Mexico or the old clothes hanger abortions. Abortion is legal and no matter what some people say, women just do not knowingly become pregnant for profit. When I was in high school a popular girl was raped and since she could not get an abortion here in the states, her parents took her to Mexico for the procedure, two days later she died of complications. I for one do not want to go back to those days. While the stuff may be edited to make a point, I don't think they could be completely without merit or people would soon realize there was nothing to it and the group would be discredited. Without trying to get into a religious area here, it seems to me the maxim about God drawing good from evil is appropriate, that saying only some life should continue is dangerous ground and that the churchy people who are anti-abortion should provide care. The first is arguable, the second has taken a few powerful hits due to people like Nazi Germany, and the third is a pipe dream. ...But, the state could provide immediate care for the women and take the children. Well, number 1, abortion is legal in the first trimester. number 2, Planned Parenthood is a great organization that does good work, number 3, they are not doing anything illegal, number 4, funny you should mention that the state should provide immediate care for the women when the Republican party has cut funds for all programs that would help women and children. The group that is making these videos have been discredited many times and are being paid by right wing groups who think helping people is a bad thing. I don't want to argue either, but there is a place for organizations that help those that other orgs won't, and the fact that they are the only organization that really helps women is a bonus.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 9:25:25 GMT -6
What work that PP performs is not covered under ObamaCare now? Selling body parts for profit is illegal. Doing abortions during the third trimester for non life threatening reasons is horrible. Killing live born babies is illegal. What funds have the Reps cut? You don't provide any specificity.
The group making the video hasn't been discredited. The pro baby killer movement hasn't shown the tapes to be altered. The subjects in the tapes haven't come forth to correct the record. Congress has subpoenaed all of the tapes for hearings. I imagine all of the people in the tapes will be subpoenaed too.
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Post by orogenicman on Oct 23, 2015 2:56:59 GMT -6
What work that PP performs is not covered under ObamaCare now? Selling body parts for profit is illegal. Doing abortions during the third trimester for non life threatening reasons is horrible. Killing live born babies is illegal. What funds have the Reps cut? You don't provide any specificity. The group making the video hasn't been discredited. The pro baby killer movement hasn't shown the tapes to be altered. The subjects in the tapes haven't come forth to correct the record. Congress has subpoenaed all of the tapes for hearings. I imagine all of the people in the tapes will be subpoenaed too. What body parts, where? Show us the evidence.
Abortions are legal. Period. Full stop.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 10:08:06 GMT -6
Watch the 16 hours of video. And PP just announced they would stop taking fess for HUMAN body parts. Why stop the income if they were legal to begin with? Becuase they were NEGOTIATING the amount for the various parts. That only happens when you're determining a profit to be made.
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Post by lowell on Oct 24, 2015 22:52:31 GMT -6
Watch the 16 hours of video. And PP just announced they would stop taking fess for HUMAN body parts. Why stop the income if they were legal to begin with? Becuase they were NEGOTIATING the amount for the various parts. That only happens when you're determining a profit to be made. It was never body parts for profit mishka. It was payment to cover expenses. You should try hiring a doctor to remove a kidney from your body and see just how expensive it is when it is for profit. Expenses vary from clinic to clinic depending on a multitude of factors. If Planned Parenthood is no longer helping research clinics obtain fetal tissue then the Republicans who have always supported that research shall have been the losers, oh and mothers and fathers who had hoped for medical advances to correct inherited genetic conditions will be losers too. And the children who continue to suffer and die with those inherited conditions of course continue to be losers. But you don't care about the unfortunate losers that this persecution of a beneficial organization creates. You, personally, or to be exact, your ego, is winning, mishka.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 12:25:38 GMT -6
You don't negotiate price unless you are negotiating a profit margin. The decision to stop accepting money for parts shows they were making a profit and wouldn't be able to say otherwise. They are still donating HUMAN parts, so your second statement is moot. Texas has cut off Medicaid funds to PP and are now auditing the funds they did receive to see if taxpayer funds were used for abortions. Human life is winning.
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Post by lowell on Oct 26, 2015 1:43:49 GMT -6
You negotiate price if you have to cover expenses. You don't know anything at all about a non-profit organization, mishka. You really should stick to subjects you can understand. Planned Parenthood encountered mounting legal expenses and harassment as a result of the defamatory statements of people like you, who referred to fetal tissue donated by women who had abortions as baby body parts. You have no scruples, no ethics, no morals, you consistently adhere to. Planned Parenthood discontinued the practice of providing fetal tissue to medical research labs because they are a non-profit and the legal expenses imperiled their other important services for women and men. Not only that, violence and vandalism against their personnel and facilities convinced them they could no longer provide the service of providing fetal tissue to the medical research labs. If they have discontinued that service, that is. You are not above misrepresenting the truth mishka. So now, the fetal tissue will be discarded, incinerated most likely. Your bullying has won. It is a victory for your shallow evil ego.
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Post by tindalus on Nov 2, 2015 8:07:05 GMT -6
And health care lost. Fetal tissues were extremely importantt in the medical research of solving health issues.
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Post by gl5662 on Apr 7, 2021 19:51:36 GMT -6
I get into fights all the time on other sites about abortion.
I'm to the point that the government has no right to get between a woman and proper healthcare.
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