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Post by rdlb on Feb 13, 2014 19:55:32 GMT -6
One of the difficulties in reading the Bible is taking the letter at face or external value. Judging it by appearances. Jesus warned individuals of judging by appearances but the need to judge righteously. While judging takes on the notion of being somewhat contradictory; we are told not to judge lest we be judged and yet we are told how to judge, not by appearances but righteously. The Bible is full of some historicity, allegorical and metaphysical content. To take allegorical content and apply that to historic events can be quite problematic and would be considered judging according to appearance. For example, in the book of Job here we have the appearance of Satan in a potential physical state concerning the earth found in Job 1:7.
And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, from going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Yet in Matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Was Peter living as Satan when the book of Job was written? Or, is this symbolic of something going on “in” Peter’s earthy nature?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 20:00:57 GMT -6
One of the difficulties in reading the Bible is taking the letter at face or external value. Judging it by appearances. Jesus warned individuals of judging by appearances but the need to judge righteously. While judging takes on the notion of being somewhat contradictory; we are told not to judge lest we be judged and yet we are told how to judge, not by appearances but righteously. The Bible is full of some historicity, allegorical and metaphysical content. To take allegorical content and apply that to historic events can be quite problematic and would be considered judging according to appearance. For example, in the book of Job here we have the appearance of Satan in a potential physical state concerning the earth found in Job 1:7. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, from going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Yet in Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Was Peter living as Satan when the book of Job was written? Or, is this symbolic of something going on “in” Peter’s earthy nature? Anything that is doubt or unbelief is of Satan because it will rob one of God's best.
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Post by rdlb on Feb 13, 2014 21:30:21 GMT -6
One of the difficulties in reading the Bible is taking the letter at face or external value. Judging it by appearances. Jesus warned individuals of judging by appearances but the need to judge righteously. While judging takes on the notion of being somewhat contradictory; we are told not to judge lest we be judged and yet we are told how to judge, not by appearances but righteously. The Bible is full of some historicity, allegorical and metaphysical content. To take allegorical content and apply that to historic events can be quite problematic and would be considered judging according to appearance. For example, in the book of Job here we have the appearance of Satan in a potential physical state concerning the earth found in Job 1:7. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, from going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Yet in Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Was Peter living as Satan when the book of Job was written? Or, is this symbolic of something going on “in” Peter’s earthy nature? Anything that is doubt or unbelief is of Satan because it will rob one of God's best.That is true. Yet, Jesus called Peter "Satan". He did not say that Peter was "of" Satan. Just an interesting observation on what Peter was suggesting to Jesus, and the response by Jesus, " for thou savourest not" ( phroneō) Present Active Indicative verb form, meaning: to direct one's mind to a thing, to seek, to strive for. In the verses before this Peter just had a revelation of Who Jesus was and is. We all must be careful of becoming Satan like Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 4:21:21 GMT -6
Jesus was able to look past Peter and see the cause of the unbelief, he talked directly to the cause, Satan. What he meant when he said thou savourest not, was peter quickly reverted back to man's fallen nature.
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Feb 14, 2014 15:17:21 GMT -6
This statement interests me:
And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, from going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
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Could it possibly suggest that at least one version of "Satan" is an accumulation of evil that is around kind of like snowballing or making a snowball then rolling it in the snow until it become a great big ball of snow?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 16:18:01 GMT -6
This statement interests me:
And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, from going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
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Could it possibly suggest that at least one version of "Satan" is an accumulation of evil that is around kind of like snowballing or making a snowball then rolling it in the snow until it become a great big ball of snow?
My beliefs, no one else believes this so it's likely you won't either. 2 Chronicles 16:9 For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth. I think God's eyes or his angels are ever present watching us, and Satan has this same advantage. They are often mistaken for UFO's.
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Post by rdlb on Feb 15, 2014 11:40:35 GMT -6
This statement interests me:
And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, from going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
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Could it possibly suggest that at least one version of "Satan" is an accumulation of evil that is around kind of like snowballing or making a snowball then rolling it in the snow until it become a great big ball of snow?
I am glad that it interests you. I see and understand the book of Job as an allegorical compilation full of symbolism. I do not think that it "suggests" but does indicate from where Satan comes from, "in the earth". Yet, what earth? What does "earth" symbolize or represent? Adam was formed out of the dust of the ground. [`aphar: dust or dry earth; 'adamah: earth substance (for building or constructing)] Genesis 2:7 & 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And in the NT we read this, 1 Cor 15:46-49 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. So to me the Bible's inner meaning of the word "earth" refers to us. A man's foes are within him, his own household, not on the outside. [echthros: opposing (God) in the mind] A thorough study of the word "Satan" does not indicate to me from the inner meaning a "spiritual being" but a personification of what is false. Some gleaned examples from the scriptures, the father of lies, a deceiving angel of light, the word is sown and then taken away, Beelzeboul: lord of the house and also fills your heart to lie to the Holy Ghost (Spirit of Truth). So with all of that, I could go on with more information and quotes, Satan is symbolic for falsity residing in us. That is why we must be born again not of corruptible seed but by the word of God, receive a new earth and a new heaven within, be transformed by the renewing of our mind and be converted. Then we can also behold Satan as lightning fall from heaven just as the Word made flesh could.
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Post by rdlb on Feb 15, 2014 12:13:36 GMT -6
My beliefs, no one else believes this so it's likely you won't either. 2 Chronicles 16:9 For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth. I think God's eyes or his angels are ever present watching us, and Satan has this same advantage. They are often mistaken for UFO's. While I may not agree "exactly" with your belief I do understand the premise that God's eyes, angels and Satan are ever present and speak to us (see my commentary to CP). There is much hidden wisdom and mysteries within the Bible's inner meanings, not of the letter but of the spirit. It is the point of the posting of this thread #1. We as mankind have fallen from a state of having interaction with the Heavenly realm and those residing there. That is slowly being changed as we wait for the manifestation of the sons of God. God's creation is groaning for that. It began with the Word made flesh, continued after Peter's conversion and then Paul's receiving his sight, and was filled with the Holy Ghost. We are in an age of almost, if not instant information. The internet has opened up a whole new world of information. It is unfortunate however that we must be careful in wading through that information. In the last days we are to be taught by God through the Spirit of Truth. It is that Spirit that leads and guides to "all" truth. Do I believe in "UFO's"? Do I believe that there is life on other planets? Yes. I do not see a reason that God would limit Himself to just one finite planet. I find no scriptures to indicate my particular belief on the subject you presented concerning UFO's. However, my OBE has opened my mind to greater possibilities and understandings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 13:09:42 GMT -6
I am a Bible thumper, I read it every day and I know it. I have been in church and listening to the sermon and hear things that are not in the bible preached and I wonder where their getting that from. I have preached also but I have never been to a seminary, I have taken numerous Bible study courses. I've never had a OBE but after drifting away from God I had an epiphany, it turned me around.
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Post by rdlb on Feb 16, 2014 14:36:13 GMT -6
I am a Bible thumper, I read it every day and I know it. I have been in church and listening to the sermon and hear things that are not in the bible preached and I wonder where their getting that from. I have preached also but I have never been to a seminary, I have taken numerous Bible study courses. I've never had a OBE but after drifting away from God I had an epiphany, it turned me around. Once I began this journey of four decades, the choice of my biblical studies was made clear to me at the beginning. John 1:1. I did and still do word studies on every word individually and where those specific words take me. Because of this method of study, I found myself attending and then leaving many diverse churches and their belief systems. I spent seven years going door to door with only the KJV as my source. (not as a JW or LDS) Koine Greek courses and a Literary Criticism of the OT and NT course. My initial prayer to God was for wisdom, knowledge and understanding of His Word. I did not at the beginning fully understand the cost for that answer. The cost? My life for His life. "Keep My Word" was spoken to me during my OBE and later by a Prophet the same words. That Word is my mantra for life. I preach and teach in small house groups and to individuals of whom the Lord will send into our path those inner meanings. With our Lord's Word, unless we address the spirit within the letter, and permit it to address us in return, we have ears that hear not and eyes that do not see. I have listened to bible preaching that has gone down the road of the flesh. That flesh as at enmity with the things of the spirit and will not address anything else but what is of the flesh. These particular ministers do not even wonder why there are so many that are weak and sick among their congregations spiritually. You wonder about things that you have heard that are not in the bible, that was my struggle at the beginning of my journey. I no longer struggle with that. I have found that there are others who have been quickened in and by the Spirit and have received the "same" wisdom, knowledge and understanding. The Word of God is so true. As a Bible thumper I am sure that you know these following scriptures assembled together and I have highlighted those words that speak to me, (although all the words speak to me). Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. John 14:17-21 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 1 John 2:24-27 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. In His service and yours, D
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