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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 15:22:20 GMT -6
Religiously speaking does perception alter reality?
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Post by samsara15 on Dec 22, 2014 17:28:58 GMT -6
I don't know...where are you headed, in this query? But then, there're lots of things I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 18:17:41 GMT -6
I don't know...where are you headed, in this query? But then, there're lots of things I don't know. Yes is my answer. I actually believe there is more than one reality. Example; hungry is a reality, sickness is a reality, death is a reality. I believe there is another reality and that is the spiritual, the unseen. One is easy to detect because we live by our senses. The spiritual is much more difficult for some people simply because it's in a different realm but just as real.
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Post by samsara15 on Dec 22, 2014 19:03:22 GMT -6
I do not believe in the spiritual. To be spiritual, there would have to be an underlying "I", IMO.
From all I read and understand, what we think of as an "I" is actual a bundle of competing and cooperating modules, one of which is the 'press secretary' (ie "I"). So I'm not even sure there is an "I", as the word is commonly used. The eternal living particles of the universe have temporarily taken the form of this transient, never to be repeated, creature writing this sentence, IMO.
I do, however, believe that there may be a world of ideas. As in "one", "a line", "a triangle", "the definite integral of xdx from 1 to 0", Sherlock Holmes, even "God" (which one?, maybe all of them).
'We see but through a glass darkly', one of my favorite Biblical quotes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 23:17:14 GMT -6
'We see but through a glass darkly', one of my favorite Biblical quotes.
Mine too. It sums up a lot of things for me, ie: As a believer there are many,many things I don't understand.
" But when we come face to face ( with God ) we will know as we are known"
Ever hear the old Gospel song " Farther Along " (" we'll know all about it" ) ( " we'll understand why " )
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Post by samsara15 on Dec 23, 2014 8:10:11 GMT -6
I’m not sure God, if there is one, is a person in our sense of the word. An abstraction, maybe, something out of our comprehension, maybe. Nor am I certain that we matter to IT, any more than as entertainment. If so, we may be judged on our value as entertainment.
Question: If all your thoughts, experiences, and feelings could be put into something like a computer, would it still be you? Why or why not? That’s part of the reason why I have problems with the idea of any sort of meaningful life after life. We could be reconstituted, perhaps, but as what, and would it still be us? How old would we be, would we age or not, would we eat and have sex and do all things that human beings do? Or would we also become abstractions?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 10:14:55 GMT -6
They could not make a computer with a soul or spirit, sooo it would not be the same.
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Post by samsara15 on Dec 23, 2014 11:44:00 GMT -6
I see no evidence of any immatterial soul or spirit, or even an "I", in the sense of a little person inside of us. What I do see evidence of is a multi-threaded human mind, which would would be indistinguishable from a genetically engineered and enhanced copy of a human being, or some sort of a cyborg, which could be produced by technology that even now can be envisioned, and so presumably would be within the reach of a civilization whose technology was a few tens of thousands of years ahead of ours.
I can buy into God, in a limited way, but not dualism.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 12:08:05 GMT -6
The reason you don't understand it is because it's on another plane. Even theoretical physics Michio Kaku says it's possible. I don't understand it either. But I do believe it to be the case.
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Post by samsara15 on Dec 23, 2014 14:33:13 GMT -6
It's not that I find your argument so weak, sydney, it's that I find it so strong.
I am not very good at argumentation, at making a case for what I believe. Because of that, I find myself easily overwhelmed by the arguments made by others. If I let myself change beliefs every time that happened, I would change my beliefs hundreds of times a year, and I do, to some extent do that. But the problem is that those others hold varying beliefs themselves. So I sway like a tree in the wind, between those conflicting beliefs. However, in the end, I live by my own thoughts and conclusions, because I am forced to do so, since the conflicts of others beliefs keeps my swaying in the wind.
I believe there may be a plane of existence for ideas. Steve Tegmark, another physicist, has the idea that the universe is made out of mathematics, with infinite possibilities.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 10:29:51 GMT -6
What I'm talking about are two planes of equal dimensions running parallel, equally as real as the other. Never touching, yet at times are able to communicate in some manner (prayer).
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Post by samsara15 on Dec 25, 2014 8:01:16 GMT -6
I understand what you're advocating, sydney, but IMO, I don't think it could be. The best hope for such I can conceive of would be something like Dark Matter, but that's still pure materialism, recast. What does seem as it could be possible, IMO, is the idea I presented. of a world of abstractions.
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