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Post by samsara15 on Aug 25, 2014 17:39:44 GMT -6
Why was the universe made? What purpose did it serve? IMO, it was seeing the world through our eyes, experiencing our feelings. If so, should we not embrace sensualism, rather than rejecting it, like most religious traditions do?
Why take all the joy out of life, and postpone it until a hypothetical next life? Why not now? Is this life just a practice run?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 18:31:39 GMT -6
Why was the universe made? What purpose did it serve? IMO, it was seeing the world through our eyes, experiencing our feelings. If so, should we not embrace sensualism, rather than rejecting it, like most religious traditions do? Why take all the joy out of life, and postpone it until a hypothetical next life? Why not now? Is this life just a practice run? You should live and enjoy life, this is not a dress rehearsal.
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Post by samsara15 on Aug 25, 2014 19:24:40 GMT -6
I agree.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 4:46:33 GMT -6
Man is the object of God's effection. Why I have no idea, we certainly don't deserve it.
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Post by rdlb on Sept 19, 2014 18:27:08 GMT -6
Gleaned from E. Swedenborg the above quotes only indicate ideally that there is "Good" and there is "Truth" and that comes from the Creator (Lord). From this position, the Creator seeks to restore within His creation "Good" and "Truth". A utopian concept? I personally do not think so. We as humans have the capacity to chose.
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Post by samsara15 on Sept 21, 2014 18:23:19 GMT -6
From some viewpoints, we are the eyes and ears, the sense organs, of God, how God sees his/her creation. Eyes and ears are supposed to report what they observe accurately. I would suggest that might offer some sort of definition of what it means to be 'good'.
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Post by rdlb on Sept 27, 2014 19:29:23 GMT -6
From some viewpoints, we are the eyes and ears, the sense organs, of God, how God sees his/her creation. Eyes and ears are supposed to report what they observe accurately. I would suggest that might offer some sort of definition of what it means to be 'good'. One does not gather grapes from thorns and thistles.
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Post by samsara15 on Sept 27, 2014 21:00:57 GMT -6
That's your opinion, rdlb. I can see little justification for that opinion, and therefore do not agree. Sometimes I even think that God, be there one, views us as vermin, an unintended and annoying part of creation that mucks up the whole thing. Just because I disagree, however, does not rule out the possibility that your view may be correct.
But it is all opinion, and none can say which opinion is right, or if both our opinions are wrong. IMO, we're probably both wrong, but I make the best guess I can, based on my own ideas, and where my feeble insight may mislead me. That's all any human being can do.
I wish we humans had better information and insight, but we don't, and so we are forced to make hard choices, based on insufficient reliable information.
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Post by rdlb on Sept 29, 2014 20:29:33 GMT -6
That's your opinion, rdlb. I can see little justification for that opinion, and therefore do not agree. Sometimes I even think that God, be there one, views us as vermin, an unintended and annoying part of creation that mucks up the whole thing. Just because I disagree, however, does not rule out the possibility that your view may be correct. But it is all opinion, and none can say which opinion is right, or if both our opinions are wrong. IMO, we're probably both wrong, but I make the best guess I can, based on my own ideas, and where my feeble insight may mislead me. That's all any human being can do. I wish we humans had better information and insight, but we don't, and so we are forced to make hard choices, based on insufficient reliable information. The point I was implying had more to do with how we differentiate the idea of "good" as opposed to "evil". I am at an age where I tend to look more for the "good" in any individual, as I am less self centered than in my youth. I suppose that good can be found even among the thorns and thistles, it is just hard to try and pick any of the grapes from within them. I have no doubt that there is a God and I understand and yet may disagree with your viewpoint concerning a God. As I see us humans do need each other as the collective view point. Gleaning from each other what is useful for our needs and sharing with others what may be of use for them. In my transformation from Atheist to believer and on to somewhat of a mystic. I have softened my approach to those who struggle (whether they do or not) with the conceptualization of "a God". I reserve my swords for another board full of ministers of whom I do intend to prick the consciences of certain ones and who will do so to me as well. I do agree to the idea of being an annoying part of creation that mucks up the whole thing. I think sometimes God is somewhat annoyed with our stubbornness in trying to control others through religious and political means.
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Post by samsara15 on Sept 30, 2014 3:36:01 GMT -6
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