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Post by samsara15 on May 4, 2014 19:02:52 GMT -6
Or even worse, is all human knowledge, of all sorts, merely sophistry?
Sometimes I fear it is. Other times I am more optimistic.
A harsh skeptic might be less optimistic, and who could prove them wrong, and how?
On the other hand, one could expect the harshest skeptic to demonstrate the same skepticism about their own doubts.
The Eastern religions even doubt, with plausible reasons, the existence of the "I" that does the doubting.
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Post by samsara15 on May 4, 2014 19:14:30 GMT -6
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Post by rdlb on Jun 1, 2014 10:32:35 GMT -6
Or even worse, is all human knowledge, of all sorts, merely sophistry? Sometimes I fear it is. Other times I am more optimistic. A harsh skeptic might be less optimistic, and who could prove them wrong, and how? On the other hand, one could expect the harshest skeptic to demonstrate the same skepticism about their own doubts. The Eastern religions even doubt, with plausible reasons, the existence of the "I" that does the doubting. I prefer "we", But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. Perdition the eternal personal choice of one who does not want to be saved from the power and effects of "sin". Sin, as I understand it, is when we do not think like "God" thinks. The love of worldly pleasures the sensuous lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and pride of a self lived life to me is what creates sophistry. Those engaged in that will say and do anything to keep that lifestyle. The existence of the "I" does create doubt as there is no "we" to confirm or deny what might be reasonable or not. Not all human knowledge is known by all, some only still rely on a single story. Yet there is and are many stories within the human knowledge.
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Post by tindalus on Jun 1, 2014 15:33:23 GMT -6
The idea behind how meditation works and eastern religion is to know things intuitively. Otherwise one get's lost in the intellectual.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 8:03:41 GMT -6
The only one decieved is the non-believer who trusts in their own ability.
I've seen it happen. I've known people for years who never mentioned God or anything about him until something dangerous comes into their life (cancer). Then I hear the word prayer, prayer list and God mentioned.
To me it's extremely brutish to feel you have all the answers and dismiss God. Why put yourself in that position?
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Post by tindalus on Jun 3, 2014 9:54:10 GMT -6
Why? The Christian view of god isn't that awe inspiring. Matter of fact, he is darn right evil.
But as I have said before, doesn't mean god doesn't exist, but it sure doesn't exist as christians think.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 6:11:33 GMT -6
Why? The Christian view of god isn't that awe inspiring. Matter of fact, he is darn right evil. But as I have said before, doesn't mean god doesn't exist, but it sure doesn't exist as christians think. That's your opinion of course, but as the saying goes a drowning man will reach for a straw. No need for me to reach when I'm standing on a rock. What are you standing on? God is not evil nor does he cause evil. He does permitt evil. God will not over rule a person's evil heart. God in the Bible is represented as a dove and a dove is easily shooed away. If God is not present in your life then stop shooing him away.
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Post by tindalus on Jun 4, 2014 10:01:47 GMT -6
When god according to christians kill millions (the story of the flood) because he is angry, he isn't a good god. Now, I do agree with you that evil things do occur and that has nothing to do with god as it has to do with how people treat each other, but the bible is filled with evil acts by god.
Also, a god that condemns good people to hell just because they don't worship him? Pretty egotistical in my opinion.
Heaven and hell doesn't exist. That I know.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 12:45:04 GMT -6
When god according to christians kill millions (the story of the flood) because he is angry, he isn't a good god. Now, I do agree with you that evil things do occur and that has nothing to do with god as it has to do with how people treat each other, but the bible is filled with evil acts by god. Also, a god that condemns good people to hell just because they don't worship him? Pretty egotistical in my opinion. Heaven and hell doesn't exist. That I know. You should probably change your last statement to : "In my opinion , Heaven and Hell do not exist"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 12:49:20 GMT -6
When god according to christians kill millions (the story of the flood) because he is angry, he isn't a good god. Now, I do agree with you that evil things do occur and that has nothing to do with god as it has to do with how people treat each other, but the bible is filled with evil acts by god. Also, a god that condemns good people to hell just because they don't worship him? Pretty egotistical in my opinion. Heaven and hell doesn't exist. That I know. In the Old testament in a number of places God says...I will put these diseases on you..etc. But if you look up the word for put it is not in the causative sense, it is actually in the permissive sense. Heaven and hell don't exist? Hmmm, reminds me of what Stephen Hawkins once said, God is a fairy story for those afraid of the dark. His darkness will come so will yours and mine. When I close my eyes for the last time it will be welcomed, I have not slipped, faltered ot faiied...I have kept the faith. I know in whom I have trusted and I am convinced he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him.
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Post by tindalus on Jun 4, 2014 18:12:03 GMT -6
I have no clue what your point. What I do know, is there is no heaven or hell, but that has nothing to do with being at peace with life or death. God isn't needed to be afraid or unafraid of death.
Why many people fear death has to do with the mystery of it and the fear of the unknown. God has nothing to do with it one way or another.
As to my death, When it occurs, and for me it will be soon enough, I will go at peace.
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Post by tindalus on Jun 4, 2014 18:14:04 GMT -6
When god according to christians kill millions (the story of the flood) because he is angry, he isn't a good god. Now, I do agree with you that evil things do occur and that has nothing to do with god as it has to do with how people treat each other, but the bible is filled with evil acts by god. Also, a god that condemns good people to hell just because they don't worship him? Pretty egotistical in my opinion. Heaven and hell doesn't exist. That I know. You should probably change your last statement to : "In my opinion , Heaven and Hell do not exist"Why? It isn't an opinion. I know the only heaven and hell is the one that a person creates for themselves. Personally I wouldn't care for either. Being peaceful is far grander than being in heaven. As to hell, well, pretty hard to experience hell when one is at peace.
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Post by rdlb on Jun 4, 2014 18:49:04 GMT -6
The Christian God and the Bible has been too often misrepresented by the literal orthodoxy belief systems. The large mega churches have been infiltrated by man's interpretation of scripture mixed with pseudo-psychology. It is not that Biblical scriptures or psychology is problematic, it is what man does with them.
With freewill to consider, one creates within either a Heaven or a Hell. With God's help a Heaven by yourself a potential Hell.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 20:06:11 GMT -6
I have no clue what your point. What I do know, is there is no heaven or hell, but that has nothing to do with being at peace with life or death. God isn't needed to be afraid or unafraid of death. Why many people fear death has to do with the mystery of it and the fear of the unknown. God has nothing to do with it one way or another. tindalus: " "Why many people fear death has to do with the mystery of it and the fear of the unknown. God has nothing to do with it one way or another. " That also goes to your personal opinion. God is Alpha and Omega.. the beginning and the end. This earthly life is merely a transition period between earthly birth and earthly death. It matters a great deal how you spend that time God has granted you. I have no fear of dying either, because I know that "God has prepared a place for me, and where He is, there I may be also'
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Post by tindalus on Jun 4, 2014 21:45:01 GMT -6
No, it isn't an opinion. I know.
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