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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 13:04:28 GMT -6
What answers and knowledge are you referring to? Matthew 24:36 " No one knows when that day or hour will come-not the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." " Nor the Son '?That sort of shoots down the Trinity theory doesn't it ?
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Post by matador on Jan 27, 2014 15:04:56 GMT -6
What answers and knowledge are you referring to? Matthew 24:36 " No one knows when that day or hour will come-not the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." " Nor the Son '?That sort of shoots down the Trinity theory doesn't it ? Yep, it sure does!!! Or is it like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 15:42:24 GMT -6
But if the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are one in the same in order to complete the Trinity, seems to me all three components would be on the same page.How can The Father stand alone without The Son and The Holy Spirit?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 21:55:05 GMT -6
Would it be like a husband and wife? You are one but you are separate, he stands alone and you do, yet you are together as one.
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Post by rdlb on Feb 2, 2014 12:48:34 GMT -6
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. KJV And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ NIV Christ’s servants have and receive their all from him; for they are of themselves worth nothing, nor have any thing they can call their own but sin.There is a big difference between worthless and useless, they do not mean the same. Matthew 25 is talking about a person's wealth or worth, the worth it is referring to is the wealth a person has or had produced, not the usefulness or uselessness of a person. It looks like Strong and you might have taken Matthew 25 out of context. Strong is wrong in their interpretation here because in their view a person is useless if he/she is poor and you know that is wrong. If you follow Strong then you would have over half of the Christian population to be useless and I really don't think you mean that. In my studies of the Koine Greek language I have to rely on those who have researched the contextual usage found during the time of Christ's first advent. In todays usage you are correct that there is a difference between worthless and useless; albeit a fine line difference. The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon Strong's Number: 888 Original Word: achreios Word origin: from (1) (as a negative particle) and a derivative of (5534) [cf (5532)] Transliterated Word TDNT Entry Achreios None Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech akh-ri'-os Adjective Definition useless, good for nothing NAS Word Usage - Total: 2 unworthy 1, worthless 1 NAS Verse Count Matthew 1 Luke 1 Total 2 Greek lexicon based on Thayer's and Smith's Bible Dictionary plus others; this is keyed to the large Kittel and the "Theological Dictionary of the New Testament." These files are public domain. Bibliography Information Thayer and Smith. "Greek Lexicon entry for Achreios". "The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon". . 1999.Matt 25:3They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: Their lamps were worthless and useless without the oil, rather foolish. Matt 25:4But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. Their vessels had oil with their lamps, rather wise, useful and worthy. Those with the talents who have gained more were good and faithful servants, useful and worthy to be made a ruler over many things. The last who had hid what was given him had no gain. The fact that he had no gain was what made his "actions" useless and worthless.As to part the rest of Matthew 25 we read of where those who gave meat and drink, took Him in, naked and clothed Him: He was sick and visited Him: He was in prison, and came to Him. The others who had ample opportunity to do so, did not. They also were useless and unworthy or worthless.If in our striving to become perfect even as our Father in Heaven is perfect, not that we have attained it, we fail to abide in Him. We then can do nothing. Nothing is useless and worthless in Heaven. John 15:4-8Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
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