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Post by carpathianpeasant on Jan 8, 2014 8:37:56 GMT -6
There was an enlightening (to me) thought on another message board. I thought I'd post something similar here for discussion.
The idea: It's "God is A spirit," not "god IS spirit."
You (and likewise the abandoned dog wandering the street) are A spirit in a body. The spirit continues even though the body falls apart.
Now, God and angels are pure spirit (no body).
...But, if God is endless or whatever, are we not all a part of God?
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Post by matador on Jan 8, 2014 15:34:55 GMT -6
There was an enlightening (to me) thought on another message board. I thought I'd post something similar here for discussion.
The idea: It's "God is A spirit," not "god IS spirit."
You (and likewise the abandoned dog wandering the street) are A spirit in a body. The spirit continues even though the body falls apart.
Now, God and angels are pure spirit (no body).
...But, if God is endless or whatever, are we not all a part of God? Good question. What if there is no God? Then what are we part of? If God was in us then wouldn't he be in every one of us on this planet? Even Muslims, Atheists, plus every animal on the planet?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 18:45:31 GMT -6
There was an enlightening (to me) thought on another message board. I thought I'd post something similar here for discussion.
The idea: It's "God is A spirit," not "god IS spirit."
You (and likewise the abandoned dog wandering the street) are A spirit in a body. The spirit continues even though the body falls apart.
Now, God and angels are pure spirit (no body).
...But, if God is endless or whatever, are we not all a part of God? Good question. What if there is no God? Then what are we part of? If God was in us then wouldn't he be in every one of us on this planet? Even Muslims, Atheists, plus every animal on the planet? God could be in every person on the planet but God is represented as a dove in the new testament. Have you ever walked up on a dove and it fly away? The same with God the Holy Spirit, He is easy to fly away and leave. Sin is the reason he leaves. God is infinitely pure and holy, he will not stand in the presence of sin.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 19:31:30 GMT -6
Good question. What if there is no God? Then what are we part of? If God was in us then wouldn't he be in every one of us on this planet? Even Muslims, Atheists, plus every animal on the planet? God could be in every person on the planet but God is represented as a dove in the new testament. Have you ever walked up on a dove and it fly away? The same with God the Holy Spirit, He is easy to fly away and leave. Sin is the reason he leaves. God is infinitely pure and holy, he will not stand in the presence of sin. Is this the same god who told his warriors to go forth to battle, and to rape, kill and bash the heads of babies upon rocks? Or the same fellow who made a bet with Satan and put Job through so much torture and anguish? Or the same fellow who blueprinted the Ark of the Covenant which was a weapon of mass destruction. Given your thinking then violence, genocide, the killing of infants and rape are pure and holy actions. Nice guy!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 19:48:26 GMT -6
God does not cause evil, sometimes he permits it. Job was a special case in which God placed a bet on his man Job and he won. This is not the best of all possible worlds and the reason for that is Adam and Eve committed high treason and sold out to Satan and all men are in a fallen state now. Being in a fallen state God had a plan, to furnish humanity with a redeemer, Jesus. It works, at least for some.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 19:56:55 GMT -6
Good question. What if there is no God? Then what are we part of? If God was in us then wouldn't he be in every one of us on this planet? Even Muslims, Atheists, plus every animal on the planet? God could be in every person on the planet but God is represented as a dove in the new testament. Have you ever walked up on a dove and it fly away? The same with God the Holy Spirit, He is easy to fly away and leave. Sin is the reason he leaves. God is infinitely pure and holy, he will not stand in the presence of sin. ' Sin is the reason he leaves ? I thought sin was the eason he came, in human form as Jesus to deliver us from our sins.. Seems contradictory to me. IMO God never leaves, he is always with us..If God will not stand in the presence of sin, then every sinner on earth would be doomed if God just up and left us..I think he is always with us through good times and bad. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God..That is the purpose of salvation.. without sin we would not need salvation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 19:58:20 GMT -6
Read up
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 20:04:33 GMT -6
You'll have to expand on that, not sure what you mean.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 20:09:50 GMT -6
Because of the fall of man (Adam and Eve) Man lost his fellowship with God, and was totally lost. God sent a savior, redeemer into the world to redeem lost men.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 20:15:15 GMT -6
People blame God for all that goes wrong, storms, fires etc. They call it a act of God but it's not so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2014 20:49:06 GMT -6
God could be in every person on the planet but God is represented as a dove in the new testament. Have you ever walked up on a dove and it fly away? The same with God the Holy Spirit, He is easy to fly away and leave. Sin is the reason he leaves. God is infinitely pure and holy, he will not stand in the presence of sin. ' Sin is the reason he leaves ? I thought sin was the eason he came, in human form as Jesus to deliver us from our sins.. Seems contradictory to me. IMO God never leaves, he is always with us..If God will not stand in the presence of sin, then every sinner on earth would be doomed if God just up and left us..I think he is always with us through good times and bad. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God..That is the purpose of salvation.. without sin we would not need salvation. God never leaves us..... what about people like Adolf Hitler. while he was committing unthinakable atrocities was God with him? No, he had clearly shut God out of his life.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 5:35:36 GMT -6
God does not cause evil, sometimes he permits it. Job was a special case in which God placed a bet on his man Job and he won. This is not the best of all possible worlds and the reason for that is Adam and Eve committed high treason and sold out to Satan and all men are in a fallen state now. Being in a fallen state God had a plan, to furnish humanity with a redeemer, Jesus. It works, at least for some. As I recall Job's children died. You're stating that it's OK that these children were sacrificed so god could win a bet? After which you turn around and lay the blame on Adam and Eve? Are you stating that god fails to take responsibility for its actions?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 12:04:05 GMT -6
' Sin is the reason he leaves ? I thought sin was the eason he came, in human form as Jesus to deliver us from our sins.. Seems contradictory to me. IMO God never leaves, he is always with us..If God will not stand in the presence of sin, then every sinner on earth would be doomed if God just up and left us..I think he is always with us through good times and bad. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God..That is the purpose of salvation.. without sin we would not need salvation. God never leaves us..... what about people like Adolf Hitler. while he was committing unthinakable atrocities was God with him? No, he had clearly shut God out of his life. Yes, of course God was with him. God is everywhere.. the choice was Hitler's He was raised Catholic, but obviously it didn't 'stick' That's why God gave us free will. Hitler had a choice to admit his sins, sin no more and become a righteous man. Of course, he didn't, and that was his choice...Just because people choose to shut 'God' out of their lives' doesn't mean he's not there at the ready when that person decides to repent and ask forgivness. God is always with us, otherwise how could any of us repent and believe if God was't there to hear our confessions and follow him? We'd be left talking to ourselves..the choice is ours, God gave free will so it's up to us to accept him oe not. John 3:16
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 12:12:34 GMT -6
God never leaves us..... what about people like Adolf Hitler. while he was committing unthinakable atrocities was God with him? No, he had clearly shut God out of his life. Yes, of course God was with him. God is everywhere.. the choice was Hitler's He was raised Catholic, but obviously it didn't 'stick' That's why God gave us free will. Hitler had a choice to admit his sins, sin no more and become a righteous man. Of course, he didn't, and that was his choice...Just because people choose to 'shut people out of their lives' doesn't mean he's not there at the ready when that person decides to repent and ask forgivness, John 3:16 I disagree, God was not with him, if anything he was demon possessed. I think I know what you mean, God is just a prayer away but apparently Hitler didn't pray.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 12:18:14 GMT -6
God does not cause evil, sometimes he permits it. Job was a special case in which God placed a bet on his man Job and he won. This is not the best of all possible worlds and the reason for that is Adam and Eve committed high treason and sold out to Satan and all men are in a fallen state now. Being in a fallen state God had a plan, to furnish humanity with a redeemer, Jesus. It works, at least for some. As I recall Job's children died. You're stating that it's OK that these children were sacrificed so god could win a bet? After which you turn around and lay the blame on Adam and Eve? Are you stating that god fails to take responsibility for its actions? I have read the Bible cover to cover a number of times and like you I don't understand all of what went on in the book on Job. He lost his children which couldn't have been pleasant. I just trust that some how it was worked out for everyone's good.
When we were children our mom may have said stay away from the stove while I'm cooking or don't play in the street. With a child's limited understanding it may not have sounded fair but Mom knew best. With a all powerful all knowing God our understanding is limited, that's where faith comes into play.
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