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Post by rdlb on Apr 22, 2017 8:33:00 GMT -6
For any school to impede speakers because critics might protest violently is to give the critics control of who may speak. That's why Berkeley's handling of Coulter is so dangerous. At the moment, it's rewarding thugs for being thuggish and thus encouraging more thuggery. It threatens to make the school a hostage to bullies instead of a place where ideas may be heard and answered without fear. Berkeley faces a dilemma that implicates the most vital part of its mission. And right now, it's making the wrong choice. www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-berkeley-free-speech-ann-coulter-perspec-0424-md-20170421-column.html
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Apr 26, 2017 4:20:50 GMT -6
For any school to impede speakers because critics might protest violently is to give the critics control of who may speak. That's why Berkeley's handling of Coulter is so dangerous. At the moment, it's rewarding thugs for being thuggish and thus encouraging more thuggery. It threatens to make the school a hostage to bullies instead of a place where ideas may be heard and answered without fear. Berkeley faces a dilemma that implicates the most vital part of its mission. And right now, it's making the wrong choice. www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-berkeley-free-speech-ann-coulter-perspec-0424-md-20170421-column.htmlI'm glad someone is keeping track of this kind of stuff. I just don't have the time at present.
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Post by rdlb on Apr 30, 2017 12:16:50 GMT -6
For any school to impede speakers because critics might protest violently is to give the critics control of who may speak. That's why Berkeley's handling of Coulter is so dangerous. At the moment, it's rewarding thugs for being thuggish and thus encouraging more thuggery. It threatens to make the school a hostage to bullies instead of a place where ideas may be heard and answered without fear. Berkeley faces a dilemma that implicates the most vital part of its mission. And right now, it's making the wrong choice. www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-berkeley-free-speech-ann-coulter-perspec-0424-md-20170421-column.htmlI'm glad someone is keeping track of this kind of stuff. I just don't have the time at present. I was considering Berkley for seminary later on when I retired. Wanted to continue my Christian education to be more well rounded. However, my conservative bent would get me in trouble.
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Apr 30, 2017 12:24:36 GMT -6
I'm glad someone is keeping track of this kind of stuff. I just don't have the time at present. I was considering Berkley for seminary later on when I retired. Wanted to continue my Christian education to be more well rounded. However, my conservative bent would get me in trouble. That's pretty sure. Perhaps just college courses somewhere in philosophy and theology would be the answer.
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Post by rdlb on Apr 30, 2017 12:50:21 GMT -6
I was considering Berkley for seminary later on when I retired. Wanted to continue my Christian education to be more well rounded. However, my conservative bent would get me in trouble. That's pretty sure. Perhaps just college courses somewhere in philosophy and theology would be the answer. I had taken some philosophy in college, psychology, sociology and one theology class. Guess which one I failed? If you guessed theology you would be correct. "A literary criticism of the Old and New Testaments". My final grade a "D", it should have been a "F" but the instructor did not want me back in his class. I find that I have to curtail some of my ideas lest they create a major conflict.
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Post by lowell on Oct 5, 2018 12:18:15 GMT -6
Free speech has limits. A person cannot yell fire in a crowded theater even if there is a fire. A person cannot incite violence as some have done, notably Alex Jones. A person cannot make death threats. I haven't examined the speeches of Ann Coulter, it may be that she urges her listeners to act violently towards those she opposes. It may be that she incites people to violence. There have been alleged death threats against even the parents of the children who were murdered at Sandy Hook. It may be that there are progressive liberals who have urged violence against their opponents. I haven't heard of such a thing. Does Bernie Sanders urge his followers to beat up those who protest against him?
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Post by rdlb on Oct 6, 2018 10:19:41 GMT -6
Free speech has limits. A person cannot yell fire in a crowded theater even if there is a fire. A person cannot incite violence as some have done, notably Alex Jones. A person cannot make death threats. I haven't examined the speeches of Ann Coulter, it may be that she urges her listeners to act violently towards those she opposes. It may be that she incites people to violence. There have been alleged death threats against even the parents of the children who were murdered at Sandy Hook. It may be that there are progressive liberals who have urged violence against their opponents. I haven't heard of such a thing. Does Bernie Sanders urge his followers to beat up those who protest against him? As far as Ann Coulter is concerned, as far to the right as she is would incite to potential violence those on the far progressive left. Bernie I do not believe would ever incite any form of violence. He would probably refer all to the voting booth as would I.
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Post by lowell on Oct 11, 2018 21:50:08 GMT -6
Yes I agree, I see more violence from those right of center than from those left of center. I don't consider anarchists to be progressive liberals. In fact, southern secessionists are more like anarchists since they seek the destruction of the Federal Government. Trump talked of draining the swamp, which has multiple interpretations, but nothing he has done resembles any of the meanings, and most of what he has done is the opposite of the most common interpretations of the phrase. I was told that Trump ran as an anti-war candidate and promised to get us out of Afghanistan. We see how power corrupts, if there was ever any truth to his promise. Now I hear pundits claiming that Trump is not only fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan but also ISIS. Of course this puts the lie to the claim that Trump has fulfilled his promise of quickly ending ISIS.
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Post by rdlb on Oct 12, 2018 9:06:28 GMT -6
Yes I agree, I see more violence from those right of center than from those left of center. I don't consider anarchists to be progressive liberals. In fact, southern secessionists are more like anarchists since they seek the destruction of the Federal Government. Trump talked of draining the swamp, which has multiple interpretations, but nothing he has done resembles any of the meanings, and most of what he has done is the opposite of the most common interpretations of the phrase. I was told that Trump ran as an anti-war candidate and promised to get us out of Afghanistan. We see how power corrupts, if there was ever any truth to his promise. Now I hear pundits claiming that Trump is not only fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan but also ISIS. Of course this puts the lie to the claim that Trump has fulfilled his promise of quickly ending ISIS.
I will end this particular thread with "we will have agree to disagree" at these points. I have followed the Political economy from all sides and am not too impressed with the further distraction away from what the original founding fathers envisioned.
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