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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 21:52:17 GMT -6
Good question. Since animals produce then I suppose they feel they are just continuing in the cycle of life. You know, born, live, die. I doubt that they consider that being cruel.
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Post by rdlb on Feb 21, 2014 22:38:27 GMT -6
To the atheist there is no reward, life is a death sentence. Should they produce children knowing what awaits them. Wouldn't that be the ultimate act of cruelty? I wonder how many Atheists would agree with your statement, "life is a death sentence"? Some I have met live in the moment and enjoy that. Interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 3:51:22 GMT -6
I believe most atheists think we are being cruel teaching our children that God exists. That is what I have gotten from the ones I have talked to in the past. They don't believe in God or in life everlasting. I understand where you are coming from Sydney, but they do not look at it like we do. God says they know not what they do. To my way of thinking I think they are blind to the truth, that they are missing the boat. And why they are blind to the truth I do not know. But they think the same thing about me, that I am blind to the truth and missing out on life. On enjoying life. Of course there could be nothing farther from the truth, I enjoy life very much, I live each day to the fullest, I enjoy the life God has blessed me with, I am not simply sitting here like a rock waiting for heaven. I also care about the our planet, I do care what happens to it, and do all I can to conserve and protect it. Some atheists have the idea that we, Christians do not care about the planet, we trash it and only look forward to heaven. That is not so. There is quite a bit of misinformation about Christians and about atheists. My grandfather was an atheist. He always said he would live until he died. He was my favorite person in the world, he still is. His philosophy was that you are born, you live your life, then you die. Just as in the natural world animals live out the cycle of life. He did want to leave the world a better place for his children. I disagree with him, I believe we were never meant to die, and to me, that is natural. Death is not. I read somewhere that one of the top scientists who study human longevity said that there is no reason for us to age and die. None. Some kind of biological clock kicks in and we begin to age and then die. He stated that it should not be so, we have everything we need to continue to regenerate and live forever. I think that clock is from what happened with Adam and Eve. Death is our enemy. Isn't that why Christ returned? We receive eternal life through the Spirit. He is fixing what was broken. We are living in a dying world. The whole world groans under the curse we have brought upon it. I feel sorry for anyone who has not turned to God to be saved from the wrath that is to come. He really is our salvation. God judges the heart. If my grandfather went to heaven or not, I don't know. According to our standards he didn't. Fortunately God looks inside of us, He knows what we do not about that person. Personally I think it is cruel not to teach a child about God. I don't like it when anyone takes away another person's freedom of choice. Even God gives us a choice. We can choose not to accept His help or we can choose to accept His help. He never forces us. But I respect the atheists choice to teach their children that there is no God. That is as long as they are allowed to investigate other options. There are many Christian ministers who were raised in atheist homes. God's children seek Him out, regardless of the situation they are raised in. One thing that does bother me is the atheists attempts to remove Bibles form public property. If what they say is true, that there is no God, why are they so intimidated by a book of myths?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 8:03:02 GMT -6
The atheist looks at religion as foolishness. Eat drink be merry. True that we all have our moment in the sun but keep in mind it's but a fleeting moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 3:36:41 GMT -6
The atheist looks at religion as foolishness. Eat drink be merry. True that we all have our moment in the sun but keep in mind it's but a fleeting moment. I agree.
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Post by rdlb on Feb 23, 2014 14:11:21 GMT -6
History furnishes many illustrations in the decline and fall of nations and empires, ending in despotism and materialism.I posted this within this thread to illustrate an Atheist organization and its desire to control and diminish religious practices of any sort until they no longer exist. Postulating an idea of something that would exceed and replace what they consider "assumptions of authority," (God), verifiable by experience and scientific methods. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. I have posted on scientific boards a question about my OBE experience and a Prophet's recounting; the discounting of that "experience" was an incredulous amount of reasoning based on the five senses and not reaching any conclusion at all.
Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going". We understand His testimony through our personal experience of Christ in us. We know more precisely where we have come from and where we are going. We also understand what we have of God in Christ through our experiences. So much for "blind pitiless indifference." But you (we) have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
There is contained within the NT three "musts" that need to be followed in order to experience God through Christ. 1. One "must" be born again. 2. One "must" worship God in Spirit and in truth. 3. They that come to God "must" believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.
Otherwise one is ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth about God through anti-theistic ambition and materialism.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 20:56:20 GMT -6
I believe most atheists think we are being cruel teaching our children that God exists. That is what I have gotten from the ones I have talked to in the past. They don't believe in God or in life everlasting. I understand where you are coming from Sydney, but they do not look at it like we do. God says they know not what they do. To my way of thinking I think they are blind to the truth, that they are missing the boat. And why they are blind to the truth I do not know. But they think the same thing about me, that I am blind to the truth and missing out on life. On enjoying life. Of course there could be nothing farther from the truth, I enjoy life very much, I live each day to the fullest, I enjoy the life God has blessed me with, I am not simply sitting here like a rock waiting for heaven. I also care about the our planet, I do care what happens to it, and do all I can to conserve and protect it. Some atheists have the idea that we, Christians do not care about the planet, we trash it and only look forward to heaven. That is not so. There is quite a bit of misinformation about Christians and about atheists. My grandfather was an atheist. He always said he would live until he died. He was my favorite person in the world, he still is. His philosophy was that you are born, you live your life, then you die. Just as in the natural world animals live out the cycle of life. He did want to leave the world a better place for his children. I disagree with him, I believe we were never meant to die, and to me, that is natural. Death is not. I read somewhere that one of the top scientists who study human longevity said that there is no reason for us to age and die. None. Some kind of biological clock kicks in and we begin to age and then die. He stated that it should not be so, we have everything we need to continue to regenerate and live forever. I think that clock is from what happened with Adam and Eve. Death is our enemy. Isn't that why Christ returned? We receive eternal life through the Spirit. He is fixing what was broken. We are living in a dying world. The whole world groans under the curse we have brought upon it. I feel sorry for anyone who has not turned to God to be saved from the wrath that is to come. He really is our salvation. God judges the heart. If my grandfather went to heaven or not, I don't know. According to our standards he didn't. Fortunately God looks inside of us, He knows what we do not about that person. Personally I think it is cruel not to teach a child about God. I don't like it when anyone takes away another person's freedom of choice. Even God gives us a choice. We can choose not to accept His help or we can choose to accept His help. He never forces us. But I respect the atheists choice to teach their children that there is no God. That is as long as they are allowed to investigate other options. There are many Christian ministers who were raised in atheist homes. God's children seek Him out, regardless of the situation they are raised in. One thing that does bother me is the atheists attempts to remove Bibles form public property. If what they say is true, that there is no God, why are they so intimidated by a book of myths? '' Death is our enemy".. that just depends if you are speaking of an earthly death.
If you believe in a spiritual life cycle, then death is only a means, a conduit, for a heavenly life. Death on earth is a part of life.
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Post by matador on Feb 23, 2014 22:54:36 GMT -6
To the atheist there is no reward, life is a death sentence. Should they produce children knowing what awaits them. Wouldn't that be the ultimate act of cruelty? I kind of stayed out of this thread but I guess it would not be complete without some comment. The day we are born, every single one of us are given a death sentence. Every one of us. I must say that I am not an atheist nor have ever wanted to be, but I do know many who are and they give to the community as much as any one of any other religious organization. Should they produce children, this isn't China and last time I checked there was no law saying who should have children, but on that note I know a few Christians who should never have any children but they do. And of the one confirmed atheist couple that I know their two children are devote Christians.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 12:16:17 GMT -6
To the atheist there is no reward, life is a death sentence. Should they produce children knowing what awaits them. Wouldn't that be the ultimate act of cruelty? I kind of stayed out of this thread but I guess it would not be complete without some comment. The day we are born, every single one of us are given a death sentence. Every one of us. I must say that I am not an atheist nor have ever wanted to be, but I do know many who are and they give to the community as much as any one of any other religious organization. Should they produce children, this isn't China and last time I checked there was no law saying who should have children, but on that note I know a few Christians who should never have any children but they do. And of the one confirmed atheist couple that I know their two children are devote Christians. Everyone comes to a point in their lives when they have to make a choice.. To not make a choice at all is still a choice. Even children who have been raised in cult like communities often come to the realization that that life is not for them.. They make other choices and move on. Not all do of course, some are so brainwashed that they dare not defy the laws and customs, but many do.I don't think the average Atheist falls into this category. I think they would be more open to free choice by their off spring.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 13:09:47 GMT -6
History furnishes many illustrations in the decline and fall of nations and empires, ending in despotism and materialism.I posted this within this thread to illustrate an Atheist organization and its desire to control and diminish religious practices of any sort until they no longer exist. Postulating an idea of something that would exceed and replace what they consider "assumptions of authority," (God), verifiable by experience and scientific methods. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. I have posted on scientific boards a question about my OBE experience and a Prophet's recounting; the discounting of that "experience" was an incredulous amount of reasoning based on the five senses and not reaching any conclusion at all.
Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going". We understand His testimony through our personal experience of Christ in us. We know more precisely where we have come from and where we are going. We also understand what we have of God in Christ through our experiences. So much for "blind pitiless indifference." But you (we) have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
There is contained within the NT three "musts" that need to be followed in order to experience God through Christ. 1. One "must" be born again. 2. One "must" worship God in Spirit and in truth. 3. They that come to God "must" believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.
Otherwise one is ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth about God through anti-theistic ambition and materialism.
They are very zealous about erasing God from everything. As always there is one little bitty thing they forget. God Despite their vigorous attempts it will be to no avail. God will be known. Gods Will shall be done, regardless of their puny pathetic attempts to erase the Almighty. They need to read the fine print, Almighty means just that. He is Almighty. I am aware of their organization and have encountered some online, hateful and belligerent, they are militant. Remind me of the militant Muslims. They want to wipe out all evidence of God. The militant Muslims want to wipe out all other religions. They would make a good pair. Never have I met a group of people so blinded from the truth as these are.
Too bad we can't send them up to the hidden mountain sect, let them all fight it out. Yes, the Muslims, the Atheists and the Snake Folk. I am betting on the Snake Folk, they cheat, they have the snakes. May the best fanatic win!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 13:23:30 GMT -6
Want to add, my grandfather was not like that. He never put anyone down for being a Christian. Live and let live.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 14:19:11 GMT -6
Dayrain, just curious. Do you consider all Muslims or followers of Islam to be fanatics ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 16:06:15 GMT -6
Dayrain, just curious. Do you consider all Muslims or followers of Islam to be fanatics ? Only the fanatical ones.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 18:04:49 GMT -6
Dayrain, just curious. Do you consider all Muslims or followers of Islam to be fanatics ? Only the fanatical ones. So you don't think Islam ,as a whole, is a fanatical religion ? I think everyone should be free to practice the religion of their choice. However, the big problem that I, personally have with Islam ,is Sharia Law. A lot of modern day Muslims have swayed away from Sharia, especially some Muslims who have come to America. There is no way I can condone Sharia making it's way into American courts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 21:55:41 GMT -6
Islam, they bow down 5 times a day to pray, they live, eat and breath their religion, it is their whole life. They do whatever their leaders tell them to do, they have little or no individual personalities, they eat what they tell them to eat, they live how they tell them to live, they marry as they are told, they raise their children the same way. Every one must wear the same thing, they all do the same things, they do not allow freedom of speech, dress, thought, or lifestyle. They force their women into a mold that all must follow. They have to wear tents wherever they go, keep their faces covered and always be escorted by a male. They are not allowed freedom of choice. Sounds pretty fanatical to me. What do you think?
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