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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 4:50:02 GMT -6
1. If everyone completely passes out of existence when they die, what ultimate meaning has life? Even if a man's life is important because of his influence on others or by his effect on the course of history, of what ultimate significance is that if there is no immortality and all other lives, events, and even history itself is ultimately meaningless?
2. Without absolute morals, what ultimate difference in there between Saddam Hussein and Billy Graham?
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Post by samsara15 on Mar 2, 2015 17:41:40 GMT -6
IMO, morals come from human mores, not some religious book. Books were written by human beings, and are not any more absolute than the Muslim who cuts off your head. Few (name any) human cultures in recorded history have ever condoned murder, rape, incest, theft, or random acts of violence.
Both Saddam Hussein and Billy Graham did good things and bad things in their lives; both, probably more bad than good,depending on your feelings. Most of their acts are not recorded. That's the nature of celebrity.
Life is its own meaning. This may be the only life we ever have. Live it well.
What does it mean for life to be meaningless? Does anything that happens in this life matter to you? Are there no joys or sorrows in it for you, nothing of importance? If not, you might as well already be dead. Even humanity is of little significance, and if there is a God who cares about us, it is not because we are significant in any way, but because this God choose to do so. We are a tiny speck of sentient life on a tiny planet on a small sun in a galaxy that is one out of a hundred trillion. We are insignificant in every way.
Have you ever loved anyone? A parent, a child, a spouse, a friend? If so, why even ask these questions? Doesn't love give life meaning?
On the other hand, find yourself a hard core atheist to ask these questions. None post here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 18:26:49 GMT -6
I think your right Sam, Love, Forgiveness and Compassion are the things that give life meaning. not necessarily in that order perhaps.
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Post by samsara15 on Mar 2, 2015 18:57:27 GMT -6
Old sayings that I am fond of:
We are all equal in the eyes of God – Old Christian proverb
There is enough good in the worst of us, and bad in the best of us, that it ill behooves the rest of us, to find too much fault in any of us
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 19:20:07 GMT -6
Well stated.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 4:18:59 GMT -6
Yes, Well stated Sam. Do you think love remains after death? Can it be that strong?
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Post by samsara15 on Mar 3, 2015 4:38:48 GMT -6
I don't know, but it makes life worth living. And more than just for humans. How many times have you read about house cats going into burning buildings to save their kittens, or dogs, risking their lives for their humans?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 7:57:54 GMT -6
Love is the most powerful emotion we possess.
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Post by orogenicman on Oct 4, 2015 15:18:46 GMT -6
1. If everyone completely passes out of existence when they die, what ultimate meaning has life? Even if a man's life is important because of his influence on others or by his effect on the course of history, of what ultimate significance is that if there is no immortality and all other lives, events, and even history itself is ultimately meaningless?
2. Without absolute morals, what ultimate difference in there between Saddam Hussein and Billy Graham? 1) Life has no intrinsic meaning in nature. There are plenty of uninhabited worlds out there. That doesn't mean it has no selfish purpose. The primary purpose of life is to evolve and create more life. If this were not the case, we would not be here. The fact that we are all mortal beings simply means that life is short, so take advantage of the time you have while you have it, because we won't get another chance. That makes life all the more precious.
2) There are no absolute morals. Morality is what we agree that it is. We all agree that murder is wrong because it is fundamentally detrimental to individuals and to society, and so we don't allow it. It is not wrong because some religious text says it is.
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Post by carpathianpeasant on Oct 4, 2015 17:50:39 GMT -6
1. If everyone completely passes out of existence when they die, what ultimate meaning has life? Even if a man's life is important because of his influence on others or by his effect on the course of history, of what ultimate significance is that if there is no immortality and all other lives, events, and even history itself is ultimately meaningless?
2. Without absolute morals, what ultimate difference in there between Saddam Hussein and Billy Graham? 1) Life has no intrinsic meaning in nature. There are plenty of uninhabited worlds out there. That doesn't mean it has no selfish purpose. The primary purpose of life is to evolve and create more life. If this were not the case, we would not be here. The fact that we are all mortal beings simply means that life is short, so take advantage of the time you have while you have it, because we won't get another chance. That makes life all the more precious.
2) There are no absolute morals. Morality is what we agree that it is. We all agree that murder is wrong because it is fundamentally detrimental to individuals and to society, and so we don't allow it. It is not wrong because some religious text says it is.
I think you can honestly say it is inherently in the nature of life to evolve and create more life, in fact to just grow and develop in itself, but I don't think you can say it is the purpose of life. How are you defining purpose?
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Post by orogenicman on Oct 4, 2015 19:10:52 GMT -6
It is the only purpose inherent in the nature of life. Everything else is cake (or quick sand, as the case may be).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 16:42:25 GMT -6
It is the only purpose inherent in the nature of life. Everything else is cake (or quick sand, as the case may be). Like most atheists, you don't seem to know much.
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Post by lowell on Jan 16, 2021 21:09:04 GMT -6
Orogenicman is a very scholarly person who knows that the more you know, the more you know about how little you know.
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